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Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan
Dr. Steven Hassan
4.7 • 843 Ratings
🗓️ 11 December 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my podcast, |
| 0:08.0 | cults, culture, and coercion. |
| 0:12.0 | And I have a very special treat. |
| 0:16.0 | Jim Piccourillo is joining me, someone I've known for over 30 years, and Jim is one of my |
| 0:26.5 | protégés, or I don't know how to say it, other than we first met in the context of him being |
| 0:34.1 | involved with a cult group some 30 plus years ago, his family hired me. |
| 0:40.3 | And he has really dove deep into learning about cults and mind controls, an advocate, and a |
| 0:48.3 | spokesperson. And Jim and I have been talking about this project that he came up with years ago, |
| 0:57.6 | where he wrote a screenplay and wants to do a movie called The Cult of Us, |
| 1:03.7 | and I read the screenplay and love it. |
| 1:08.0 | And I said, Jim, why don't you come on and we'll tell people about your story |
| 1:12.7 | and tell them about the project. And hopefully they will help support the project by both |
| 1:19.6 | promoting the idea of the project and also donating since we are now recording the beginning |
| 1:26.0 | of December. And we're coming up with the end of the year, |
| 1:30.0 | and people are thinking about who to donate to. |
| 1:33.9 | So let me just say a couple more things before you start talking, Jim. |
| 1:40.9 | You're a filmmaker. |
| 1:43.3 | You've done other projects that we'll talk about, you are an entrepreneur, |
| 1:49.8 | you've just helped me enormously get my work out to the bigger public. And just recently, |
| 1:56.9 | you kindly consented to playing someone who's a family member talking to a MAGA, someone, |
| 2:05.4 | and I commented on how not to do it and how to do it. So if you follow us on social media |
| 2:12.1 | and you recognize Jim, you'll be like, oh, that's Jim. So anyway, Jim Pricorillo, welcome. |
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