I'm Sarah Kanzir, the author of the bestsellers, the view from fly over country and hiding in plain sight, and of the upcoming book, They Knew, How a Culture of Conspiracy Keeps America Complacent,

available for Pre-Order Now.

I'm Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker, and the writer and producer of the journalistic

thriller, Mr. Jones, about Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine, a film the Kremlin doesn't want you to see,

so be sure to see it.

And this is Gaslit Nation, a podcast covering corruption in the United States and rising

autocracy around the world.

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This interview is recorded on January 7, 2022.

Today, we're joined by Dr. Yanya Lalich, a researcher, author, and educator specializing in cults and extremist groups

with a particular focus on charismatic relationships, political and other social movements, ideology,

and social control, and issues of gender and sexuality.

Dr. Lalich is Professor Emerita of Sociology at California State University, Chico, where in 2007,

she was awarded the Professional Achievement Honor.

She is also the founder and director of the Center for Research on Influence and Control.

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