Welcome back to the podcast, bribes, swindle, or steal. I'm Alexandra Rogge, and today we're in

Vancouver covering the continuing story of money laundering and related criminal activity by

organized crime. We've timed this podcast to coincide with the Cullen Commission. My guest is Sandy

Garrisino.

Sandy is a former Crown Prosecutor and prominent media commentator. She writes for the National

Observer and her excellent work has a devoted following. Sandy, thank you for joining me. Great to be

on, Alexander. Thank you so much. It makes me a bit sad to be sitting here in Vancouver with the

ocean on one side and a

backdrop of mountains of snow-covered mountains on the other side and talking about organized

crime, but we need to look this one squarely in the eye.

Vancouver has a problem and you're one of its most persistent commentators, really the

first and most tenacious commentator on the problem of money laundering in Vancouver casinos.

Can you take us back to the beginning of this story that brought us all the way through to the Cullen Commission?

Back in the day, and this was a very long time ago that I was a prosecutor, but I did have specific focus on organized

crime when I was practicing.

So I built up relationships with law enforcement people, senior policing, people who were

specialists in organized crime, white-collar crime, but also organized crime emanating out of China, out of Asia.

This is the kind of thing that gets into your blood and you're aware of it.

I transitioned out of the criminal law and had a long career in business and in other

engagements.

But then all of this kind of came full circle back in 2010 when I had been on various boards of charities and the provincial government had been introducing casinos and slot machines, all this kind of stuff very aggressively in British Columbia, Canada.

They were pulling quite a bit of money out of the charities and it got me very

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