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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about

politics. It's Thursday, December 17th. I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of the

New Yorker. On Tuesday, at the 5th Republican presidential debate, some of the most lively

exchanges took place between senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

Here's Cruz.

One of the problems with Marco's foreign policy is he is far too often supported Hillary

Clinton and Barack Obama undermining governments in the Middle East that have helped radical Islamic terrorists.

We need to focus on killing the bad guys, not getting stuck in Middle Eastern civil wars

that don't keep America safe.

Jeffrey Tubin joins me today to discuss the growing focus on national security as the

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