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Hi, Steve Merski here. Happy Thanksgiving and welcome back for part two of my conversation with Deborah Blum, author of The Poison Squad.

So the Poison Squad refers to this long series of experiments that Wiley undertook, which you probably couldn't even do today.

You could not do this today because he was testing food additives and he skipped any animal testing.

He went right to people.

And that was actually the experiment that

led me to the book itself because I was interested in poisons of the early 20th century.

From your last book. From my last book, The Poisoners Handbook. And I saw this experiment and I

looked at it. And the first I thought that is that is one crazy

experiment right is I mean it's a completely crazy experiment and then I thought well after I

looked at it more I thought well why would anyone be so crazy and desperate enough to just expose

young men in their 20s to all these horrible things.

What would drive you to that?

Which led me back to 19th century food.

So what happens is that after all of these things that we've been talking about,

and Wiley is still trying to get some kind of protective legislation

or labeling passed, and nothing has happened.

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