Along comes the ozone hole. I mean, the shock value of this thing was unbelievable. I think that the

moment when I as a scientist feared that it would be something just, you know, left in the pages of

scientific journals, was really, you know, when you're in Antarctica, it's so isolated, it's so vast, it's so untouched.

I kind of began to think, well, you know, are they really going to care?

Hey, everyone, it's Tristan. Welcome to your undivided attention.

And hey, everyone, this is Azaraskan.

Today we're going to be talking about something that is so critical.

When we've been covering AI in this podcast for the last two years, we all know that what's

implicit in all of this is that we need to have coordination, global coordination, in order

for the incentives of AI to be aligned with a positive

future. Currently, we don't have those incentives. We're releasing the most powerful, inscrutable,

uncontrollable technology we've ever invented faster than we deployed any other tech in history

and under the maximum incentive to cut corners on safety. For that to change, there would need to be

global coordination on AI.

And people look back into history and say, well, that's impossible. We're never going to get

global coordination on a technology. And many people don't know about the example of the Montreal

Protocol, where in the 1980s, humanity did rally, and 198 countries all got together and regulated domestic industries of a chemical

technology that was driving the ozone hole, a collective problem in our collective atmosphere

that wasn't driven by one company or one country, but the arms race dynamic between all of them.

And this is an episode that's offering kind of a blueprint of how did this

unprecedented agreement happen? How did these countries come together? How did the companies

push back? How did public demand and consumer awareness and public education all play a role

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