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You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.

Hello, I'm Alison Mitchell and welcome to the TMS podcast.

We are bringing together two people who, back in 2003, were involved in a story that created headlines

around the world. At the World Cup that year, Henry O'Longa joined together with Andy Flowers,

Zimbabwe teammate at the time, in wearing black armbands in protest against the policies

of Robert Mugabe's government in Zimbabwe.

At the same time, NASA, as England captain, was wrestling with a decision as to whether his

team should travel to play Zimbabwe in the tournament.

And in the end, England decided not to play, a decision which ultimately allowed you, Henry, to escape into exile.

So Nasser, welcome. Wonderful to have you with us from the Sky Commentary Box.

Is this the first time you and Henry have met since 2003?

I think so, yes. I mean. Thanks for having me first here.

And Henry just walked through the door and we were trying to work out, was it the Cullinan

Hotel in a dark room somewhere where we were sitting and discussing Zimbabwe politics

was myself, Duncan Fletcher, him and Andy Flour. And I think it was. I've obviously seen him around from a distance and heard him

and seen some of the things that he's written and said

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