Hey everyone. Rick Rubin was called the most important music producer of the last 20 years by MTV in 2007.

But what you might not know about him is how much he values the creative process,

how he feels that art should be created for the self, and how I personally fell asleep more

times to this than any other audiobook I've listened to. Not because it's boring, but because

he's got a soothing voice, which is unexpected coming from a guy who worked alongside

Beastie Boys, Rage, and System of a Down. Today I'm joined by comedian Zoltan Cassis as we discuss

the creative act, A Way of Being by Rick Rubin. And this is The Bookpile, a podcast about the best of books and the worst of books.

If this is your first time to the podcast, welcome.

And maybe suggest checking out our back catalog of over 200 episodes with as many books.

I'm sure there's something in there that'll interest you.

I'm Kellanerskin. I'm a comic, a father, and I'm excited to's something in there that'll interest you. I'm Kellanerskin.

I'm a comic, a father, and I'm excited to share this episode of the podcast with you that I recorded with Zoltan at his podcast studio in New York City.

And you can check out his podcast, this week in Zoltan, wherever podcasts are sold.

I'll give him a better intro in a minute. I'm just going to get some announcements out of the way. First up being that, as per our new usual,

my regular podcast co-hosts, David Vance, is out this week, letting the air out of everyone's

tires at various Dave and Busters around Los Angeles County. But he'll be back

next week as we roast the novel, Ghosts of Yesterday, which is an original Transformers novel

by Alan Dean Foster. It's a prequel set years before the first live action movie. Speaking of which, if you'd like to come to that show,

we're taping it live this week just north of L.A. in Newhall, California. For tickets, check out the

link in this episode's description, or go to callanurskin.com, where you could also find tickets to

my other live stand-up shows.

I'm headed to Palm Springs, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Des Moines, Fairbanks, Alaska, and a few more.

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