Every now and then, a person comes along with ideas that we really, really need.

Robin Steinberg is that person.

Her ideas about how to find compassion for people with whom we disagree even vehemently

are absolutely essential for this divided world that we live in.

This may be the solution we need.

Robin learned her lessons as a career public defender where she had to learn to see her

clients as human.

There's no way she could mount a vigorous defense if she saw them as monsters.

And that's what she learned.

And her lessons that turns out are universally applicable.

Which is why I asked her to come right about it for optimism press.

I'm so proud to publish this book.

This book is so important.

It'll push you.

It'll make you uncomfortable.

It'll probably make you cry, but the lessons contained in that book are so important

for us in this modern day and age.

It's why I also asked her to come on the podcast to talk about some of those ideas that

we so desperately need.

This is a bit of optimism.

Robin, this is a real treat for me to have you on the podcast because I am a huge admire

of you and your work.

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