The Country That Decided the Pandemic Is Over (with Kristian Andersen)

In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt

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🗓️ 14 February 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Andy enlists Scripps Research immunologist and Danish expat Kristian Andersen to understand why Denmark lifted all their COVID restrictions — despite leading the world in per capita infections — and what we in the U.S. can learn from that. Plus, how BA.2 compares to BA.1 with regard to transmissibility, severity, and immune evasiveness and what Kristian thinks we need to do to minimize the risk of future variants.

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Here’s more on the FDA’s decision to postpone the VRBPAC meeting on Pfizer’s vaccine for kids under 5: https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/11/pfizer-and-fda-pull-back-from-plan-to-expedite-review-of-covid-19-vaccine-in-young-children/
Read more about Denmark’s decision to lift COVID restrictions: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/denmark-covid-restrictions/621482/
Read the paper Kristian wrote with Michael Mina on testing: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abe9187
For more on BA.2, check out this explainer: https://www.vox.com/22923891/omicron-subvariant-ba2-coronavirus
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1:12.4	Welcome in the bubble. This is your host Andy Slavitt. We have a fascinating show
1:18.1	for you today because the pandemic is officially over or at least it is in
1:24.2	Denmark and so we're going to one of the best Danish pandemic scientists to
1:31.0	talk about that and it's interesting because it is a little bit of a shadow of
1:37.1	what's going on here in different parts of the US. Is it over because the pandemic
1:41.8	is over? Or is it over because some people have decided they want it to be over
1:47.7	to make it over and it's the best thing they can think of doing at the moment.
1:52.0	Very interesting. I think it does represent a bit of a sea change on what to
1:57.3	expect from a policy standpoint. But there's some really interesting underlying
2:01.1	issues here that I think are going to be important to understand. I want to
2:05.2	talk about them here. One of them is that as you get into this conversation you
2:11.0	start to realize that what makes this pandemic unique is not that we've got a
2:17.9	bug that kills everybody of touches or even a bug that's the most infectious
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