Sign the crime scene log and cross the tape with us, Brendan and Hillary,

on our true crime podcast, Crossing the Tape.

We are a married couple who met while working as a cop and a CSI at a homicide scene.

We're passionate about our jobs and justice being served.

Our episodes include rare, lesser-known cases that we found interesting.

Subscribe to crossing the tape wherever you listen to your podcast to hear about rare murder

cases, heist, forensic history, and more.

Hey, true advocates, it's me, Eric Carter, Lundee, and today I have a special story, something

that piqued my interest when I found a book about this

very topic. And so I asked Jackie to help me write this. This is a story that I hadn't heard

until I read this book. It's quite incredible. And it's going to hopefully teach you something about

the history of New Mexico.

I'm Eric Carter-Londine, and this is True Consequences.

Thank you. The The From the time the conquistadors rode into New Mexico, looking for gold in the 1600s, the Navajo

had suffered. They had suffered for so long under Spanish rule. Many of the Spanish settlers had

kidnapped women and children and kept them as slaves. The Pueblo revolt would allow the Navajo to

reclaim their lost ones,

but in 1693, when the Spanish returned to lay claim to New Mexico, the practice of stealing

Dene women and children would start all over again. Dene children were prized as slaves,

and many Spanish households kept at least two or three. Some kept as many as eight Navajo women

and children as slaves. As Western expansion from the east began, the issue of slavery was

hotly debated across the U.S. This was an issue that had spurred several political battles

...