The Cost of Inauthenticity with Rich Clarke

A Gay and A NonGay

W!ZARD Studios

Mental Health, Sexuality, Comedy, Health & Fitness

4.3 • 632 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Get ready for a raw and honest conversation on this episode of A Gay And A NonGay, as James & Dan are joined by broadcaster Rich Clarke to talk about being gay in the public eye. Rich opens up about his decades-long struggle with authenticity - and the breakdown that changed everything. He talks about working on Capital FM in the 2010s and being told he was "too gay"... and ultimately the conversations that led to the deterioration of his mental health. James, Dan and Rich talk about the psychological cost of inauthenticity, media-enforced heteronormativity in the 2010s, and Rich's journey from shame to acceptance. Follow A Gay & A NonGay TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gaynongay.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email Us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠us@gaynongay.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, welcome to a gay and a non-gay.
0:07.0	Hello, I'm James Barr, I'm gay.
0:09.0	Yes, I'm Dan Hudson and I am non-gay.
0:12.0	Congratulations.
0:13.0	Thanks. And welcome to the podcast, Rich Clark.
0:15.0	If you're in the UK, you will basically know him from being on every radio station basically at any given time.
0:21.9	Literally every single one's great.
0:26.2	Sometimes several, sometimes hundreds at once at the same time, right.
0:35.5	But he's here to talk about his new podcast, this was always me, which is a brilliant series of interviews with a number of LGBTQIA plus individuals.
0:36.1	Love those guys.
0:36.7	Love them.
0:39.3	Who spent years hiding their true selves. Love those them sorry I should say Miranda Sawyer she knows that onions she loves this podcast and she
0:44.3	says these are revealing and tender interviews and I recommend them all chat out to Miranda yes big fans
0:49.1	thanks for giving us love I use her quote quite a lot actually. What quote? I think it said unmissable.
0:55.0	Right. But I just use that on anything I do now. Right. Okay. Technically it's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
0:59.3	You can reuse those. So, Rich, you can reuse yours. These are revealing and tender interviews.
1:05.2	And I recommend them all. I feel like you just endorse that message because honestly, I've seen
1:09.2	those reviews. It's been in quite a few national publications.
1:11.6	You know what it's like when you're working on a podcast in a darkened room, interviewing these amazing people and you just churn out this content thinking, well, maybe it's something and then it gets reviewed.
1:23.6	Yeah. And of course your producers are along the journey with you and they encourage you and enthusiastic about it, but you don't know whether it's any good.
1:30.3	Which has producers. Yeah. That's quite impressive. We don't have producers.
1:34.3	Also, what are you doing in a darkened room? Because we've got quite a lot of lighting.
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