The Cost of Inauthenticity with Rich Clarke

A Gay and A NonGay

W!ZARD Studios

Sexuality, Health & Fitness, Comedy, Mental Health

4.3 • 632 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Get ready for a raw and honest conversation on this episode of A Gay And A NonGay, as James & Dan are joined by broadcaster Rich Clarke to talk about being gay in the public eye. Rich opens up about his decades-long struggle with authenticity - and the breakdown that changed everything. He talks about working on Capital FM in the 2010s and being told he was "too gay"... and ultimately the conversations that led to the deterioration of his mental health. James, Dan and Rich talk about the psychological cost of inauthenticity, media-enforced heteronormativity in the 2010s, and Rich's journey from shame to acceptance. Follow A Gay & A NonGay TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gaynongay.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email Us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, it's Dan from Agay and a Nongay.
0:02.5	We're not taping right now whilst James is in Edinburgh,
0:06.0	so I am just popping up to tell you about the campaign that I started a few weeks ago
0:11.5	to rename Birmingham International Airport as Aussie Osborne International.
0:15.5	I started it about a month ago.
0:17.0	It has now got 67,000 signatures and counting. It's gone absolutely haywire. Thank you so much
0:23.9	if you've signed it already. We will no doubt get into it in the podcast in the coming weeks.
0:28.2	But for now, please head to Aussieairport.com and add your signature. Aussieairport.com.
0:42.2	Hi, welcome to a gay and a non-gay.
0:43.3	Hello, I'm James Barr.
0:43.9	I'm gay.
0:46.5	Yes, I'm Dan Hudson and I am non-gay.
0:47.0	Congratulations.
0:47.8	Thanks.
0:49.8	And welcome to the podcast, Rich Clark.
0:54.0	If you're in the UK, you will basically know him from being on every radio station, basically, at any given time.
0:55.6	Literally, every single one is great.
0:56.8	Sometimes several, sometimes hundreds at once, not the same time, right?
1:01.0	But he's here to talk about his new podcast, this was always me, which is a brilliant series of interviews with a number of LGBTQIA plus individuals.
1:10.3	Love those guys. Love them. Who spent years hiding their true selves. Love those thems. Sorry, I should say. Miranda Sawyer, she knows her onions. She loves this podcast and she says these are revealing and tender interviews and I recommend them all. Chat out to Miranda. Yes. Big fans. Thanks for giving us love. I use her quote quite a lot, actually. What quite? I think it said
1:28.9	unmissable. Right. But I just use that on anything I do now. Right. Okay. Technically it's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess so. You can reuse those. Can you? Rich, you can reuse yours. These are revealing and tender interviews and I recommend them all. I feel like you just endorse that message because honestly I've seen those reviews because it's been in quite a few national publications.
1:27.7	You know what it's like when you're working on a podcast in a darkened room, interviewing these amazing people, and you just churn out this content, thinking, well, maybe it's something. And then it gets reviewed. Yeah. And of course, your producers are along the journey with you,
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