The Cost of Applying Late (Ep. 458)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 10 June 2024
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
How important is it to apply early? According to a recent study published in the University of Chicago Journal of Law and Economics, “an application delay of 100 days is associated with a drop in the probability of admission of around 8.5 percentage points—a disadvantage comparable to lowering the applicant’s undergraduate GPA by .26 or LSAT score by 2.1 points.” Ben and Nathan crunch the numbers and double down on their advice: apply early, but steer clear of “early decision” programs. The guys also say goodbye to the logic games, preview the new format for LSAT Writing, and provide an update on the curious case of Campbell Law.
0:37 - So Long, LG - The June LSAT is done, and so is LSAT Analytical Reasoning. Nathan and Ben bid farewell to the logic games and reflect on why they loved them.
4:56 - New LSAT Writing - LSAC will debut the new format for LSAT Writing on July 30, 2024. Ben and Nathan preview the changes and invite listeners to share their own responses to LSAC’s sample prompt. Submit your writing sample to [email protected] for a chance to have it featured on the show.
16:02 - Campbell 509 Update - In Ep. 451, the guys discovered some puzzling scholarship data on the ABA 509 report for Campbell Law School. LSAT Demon team members reached out to the school, and Campbell has now corrected the mistake.
22:38 - International GPA - Listener Nafosat worries that her international transcript might place her at a disadvantage in law school admissions. The guys discuss how LSAC evaluates international transcripts.
26:04 - Application Timing - Nathan and Ben share the highlights from a recent study on law school application timing. TL;DR? “Applications submitted earlier enjoy a considerable advantage relative to later applications.”
1:00:21 - Remunerative Business - Investor Charlie Munger explains why he didn’t become a lawyer: a lawyer’s most lucrative clients are often “grossly defective people.”
1:04:01 - Words of the Week - Dispute unproven conclusions. Reject bad reasoning.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | If you could put two points on your record, how many people would be like, |
| 0:03.4 | hey, you're applying in December, I will give you two points right now |
| 0:08.0 | and you can apply in September next year. |
| 0:10.8 | Who wouldn't take it? Hello and welcome to episode 458 of the thinking L-Sapp podcast. |
| 0:20.0 | I'm Ben Olson with me as Navy. to episode 458 of the Thinking Elsat Podcast. |
| 0:23.6 | On then Olson, with me is Nathan Fox, |
| 0:25.9 | who are the co-founder of Elsat Demon.com |
| 0:28.6 | and the Elsat Demon Daily Podcast. |
| 0:31.2 | Be Elsat Famous, share news and ask questions on our website thinking-L-Sat.com |
| 0:36.7 | The June-L-Sat is over Nathan which means the games are officially gone. |
| 0:46.0 | They are gone. But they're gone by the time this airs. |
| 0:48.0 | They're not gone in my teaching life. |
| 0:50.5 | Not quite yet. |
| 0:51.0 | I have one game on my agenda for Wednesday and I have one game on my agenda for Thursday |
| 0:58.3 | And then that'll be it for me for teaching games. What about you? Are you done forever? Yeah, I'm done forever. |
| 1:04.4 | The last class was yesterday and taught a game and that's it. I want to take a peek here to see what the last game is. I didn't plan this at all. I could have like engineered it, but let's see tomorrow night. |
| 1:19.0 | The last game I'm doing is the company targets game. |
| 1:26.4 | Oh, this is the website voicemail internet requests. |
| 1:32.1 | Oh, no, sorry, website targets and voicemail targets for |
| 1:35.4 | companies I S and T. Yeah, I remember that game. A little bit of flexibility. |
| 1:39.7 | Voice mail targets. These games are dated. |
| 1:44.0 | People still leave voicemail. |
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