Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I'm a very special guest. He just published a new edition of his book, and the book is titled The Converging Apostasy, a collection of thematic critiques. His name is Stephen Montgomery, last name spelled M-O-N-T, G-O-M-E-R-Y, and I'll have a link to the show note, link to his book in the show notes.

And I've read through the book, really interesting. A lot of things that I was curious about

and didn't really know much. I've had a brief conversations about this kind of new doctrines.

And actually, they claim to be a new church, kind of like Catholic Catholic and Orthodox, but it's called the New Apostolic

Reformation. So we're going to talk about that. He has a chapter on that, but there are also a lot of

interesting research in this book. I read a lot. And I don't often come across somebody who's looked

into the Order of Nine Angles, which I wrote that book. If you listened to my show or Global Death Cult,

but he has a section on there.

I just had an interview with somebody we talked about Joseph Smith yesterday.

People Alice Bailey have done a show on the,

convergence of the hierarchy.

I forgot the title of that book.

But anyway, that was.

Externalization. Externalization of the higher. I forgot the title of that book. But anyway. Externalization.

Externalization of the hierarchy.

You have a better memory than I do.

The externalization of the hierarchy, which is very similar to Nazi doctrines.

And also he writes about Alster Crowley.

I've written a book about him, too.

But there's a lot in this book that I learned, names that you may not have heard. I

certainly didn't know much about the Gnostic Valentinas or chain led, but it's lead up into

present day Christianity and kind of things that have infiltrated in, but he can talk more about

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