We talk on the show sometimes about the seeming policy war of all against all regarding the

rules of the road on New York City streets, right?

The cars, the trucks, the bikes, the e-bikes, the scooters and mopeds, the pedestrians, all

resenting each other to some degree while the leaders and interest groups tangle over

the best ways to bring safety and also allow people to move around, as they must. More

than 200 people a year are dying on city streets in crashes. Well, that multi-dimensional

conflict is coming to a head in one part of Brooklyn that is certainly defining for

the neighborhood, but also perhaps a kind of template debate for the whole city. It's

the McGinnis Boulevard area of Greenpoint, where there are now competing groups called

Make McGinnis Safe and Keep McGinnis Moving. Journalist Gwen Hogan has been reporting

on this for the news organization, The City, Gwen formerly of right here at WNYC. Hi,

Gwen, thanks for coming on for this. Welcome back to the show.

Thanks, Brian. Good to be here.

And give people not familiar the lay of the land literally to start out. What's McGinnis

Boulevard like in Greenpoint and geographically from where to where are we talking about?

Yeah, so McGinnis Boulevard is a Robert Moses era street. It did not exist before that time.

Several streets, a street had to be bulldozed of houses sort of between basically connects

multiple highways. So it becomes this kind of residential highway. On either side, you

have very residential Greenpoint streets, but this is a four lane street where trucks are

often speeding. They're trying to get kind of between the BQE and the Long Island Expressway.

You can either take it across into Queens, or you can take it across the Greenpoint Avenue

bridge and hook up with I-95 that way. So it is this really, really busy street that is also

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