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Now if you want to start a bar fight among hunters, all you got to do is talk about the 6.5 need more.

Or Creed more, of course is the official term.

It is that characters that people either love or hate or love to hate. I don't know what it is.

Well, no one knows more about this honestly than our next guest.

John Snow is the shooting editor of Outdoor Life.

And John, you were there at the very beginning.

I mean, you were getting a rifle chamber

for the 6-5 Creedmoor before it was even available to most people.

Yeah, that's right. As soon as I saw the announcement, this was back in

2007 which hard to believe how long ago that is now, but yeah I know I got I got all excited about it. It was kind of you know the cartridges was sort of in the DNA of what we had been doing it outdoor life for a long time and I certainly wanted to get my hands on one and I had a Remington 700 action that I sent off to Darrell Holland and had him chamber that up for me before

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