This is Paul Adamson and I'm in conversation with Professor Jonathan Porters.

Jonathan Porters is a senior fellow at the UK in a changing Europe project and is an knowledge expert on immigration.

Jonathan, I want to talk about obviously immigration in the context of Brexit, both referendum last year, and what's happening now as we start out to completely negotiations.

And as you know better than I do, the charge sheet against EU immigration is the following.

One is that the EU citizens are taking British jobs, two, that they are acting a downward pressure on wages, three, that they are accessing

benefits to which they have not contributed, and finally, that they are using up precious and scarce

public services, such as schools and housing. Let's go to them one by one. So are EU 27 immigrants

taking British jobs? Briefly no, or perhaps briefly briefly yes, it depends which way you look at it.

Clearly, they are taking British jobs in the sense that if you advertise a job and you give it to

a European immigrant as opposed to a British person, then there's a British person who has

had their job taken from them. But from another perspective, of course, it's not quite so simple.

You have immigrants don't just add to labor supply.

They also add to demand.

They spend money.

They help the economy grow.

And what the evidence shows quite clearly and indeed rather surprisingly to many of us,

labor economists economists is that

this effect are almost one for one. So for every job an European takes,

or an immigrant takes in the UK, another job is created.

So overall, the impact on the, although they may well take British jobs,

the impact on the employment prospects they may well take British jobs, the impact on the employment

prospects of British natives is basically zero. And indeed, you can see that, the fact that the

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