Hello, friends, and happy holidays. I'm Jeffrey Rosen, President and CEO of the National Constitution Center, and welcome to We the People, a weekly show of constitutional debate.

The National Constitution Center is a nonpartisan nonprofit, chartered by Congress, to increase awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.

In this episode, we explore the constitutional legacy of Justice Robert Jackson,

including his sublime writing style, his service as chief prosecutor at Nuremberg,

and the lasting legacy he left on debates over presidential power.

Joining the conversation are John K. Barrett,

discoverer and editor of Robert H. Jackson's acclaimed book,

That Man, an insider's portrait of Franklin D. Roosevelt,

and writer of the popular blog The Jackson List.

Gerard Maglioka, author of The Actual Art of Governing,

Justice Robert H. Jackson's concurring opinion in the steel seizure case,

and G. Edward White, author of Robert H. Jackson, A Life in Judgment. This program is presented

in partnership with the Robert H. Jackson Center. It was streamed live on December 8th, 2025.

It is so exciting to convene today the Robert Jackson Dream Team for a conversation about the life and legacy of Justice Robert Jackson.

I have admired Jackson ever since law school as one of the greatest writers ever to sit on the Supreme Court.

And in addition to that distinction,

for his path-breaking opinion in the steel seizure case, which is considered perhaps the leading

Supreme Court opinion on executive power, and then his performance at the Nuremberg trial,

where he successfully prosecuted the Nazi war criminals. And then his performance at the Nuremberg trial, where he successfully prosecuted the Nazi war criminals.

And then, lo and behold, because the timing gods are with us, we now have a new Hollywood movie that's just been released called Nuremberg.

And everyone wants to know about Robert Jackson.

So hearing the call, we've convened three of

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