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Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational and civil debate on American politics and policy.

I'm Trey Orndorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University.

And I'm joined by the Professor of Law at Chase Law School, Ken Katkin.

Ken, welcome to the midweek.

We're looking at the Constitution show.

Oh, it's great to be back.

Well, you know, I've had a lot of fun going through the Constitution, you know, and we approached Article

1, Section 8 the way I think a lot of, I don't know, political scientists at least when

we're stepping into your field, approach it, which is we look at the necessary and proper

clause first. And then what we've been kind of doing now this week is we're at the necessary and proper clause first.

And then what we've been kind of doing now this week is we're going to back up and take a look at the rest of the powers of Congress,

maybe getting a little bit to the powers denied Congress and finish up as much in Congress as we can.

So I was just going to start reading through this a little bit, Ken, you know, one of the big items that comes up first at the beginning of Article 1, Section 8 is this,

The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, in posts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States.

But all duties, in posts, and excises shall general welfare of the United States, but all duties,

in posts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. And then it goes on to talk

about to borrowing money on the credit of the United States and to regulate commerce with

foreign nations and among the several states. Now, I know that you and Mike had touched that.

But on the taxing clause, I mean, you wouldn't think that would be a

huge deal, but that's actually a relatively big-ish question because there's this whole big

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