The Conspiracy Machine

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🗓️ 17 June 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

In this week's January 6th committee hearings, a documentary selling election conspiracies was laughed off by the likes of Bill Barr. But myths about a stolen election are no joke. On this week’s On the Media, hear about a pundit's efforts to revitalize and repackage The Big Lie. Plus, one man’s escape from the conspiracy theory machine.

1. Philip Bump [@pbump], national correspondent at The Washington Post, on debunking election myths made for the silver screen. Listen.

2. Nina Jankowicz [@wiczipedia], former head of the Disinformation Governance Board, on the lessons learned from government-led attempts to counter disinformation. Listen.

3. Josh Owens [@JoshuaHOwens], former staff member at InfoWars, on what made him leave, and how he's come to terms with his past role in dangerous movement. Listen.

Music in this Week's Show:Ava Maria D. 839 - Pascal Jean and Jean BrendersFirst Drive - Clive Carroll and John RenbournBoy Moves the Sun - Michael AndrewsExit Music (For A Film) - Brad Mehldau Trio

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0:00.0	Former AG Bill Barr referenced a slick piece of disinformation in his
0:05.2	deposition to the January 6th Committee.
0:07.6	The election was not stolen by fraud. I haven't seen anything since the election
0:11.8	that changes my mind on that, including the 2000 Mules movie.
0:16.6	One journalist in particular reveled in debunking said movie.
0:20.7	For me, it's kind of fun to just be like, look man, here are all the reasons
0:24.8	ridiculous and the reasons continue to melt. From WNYC in New York, this is on the media.
0:30.6	I'm Brooke Gladstone. This week it's all disinfo from an internal government
0:36.0	crisis. What we were accused of doing is becoming a ministry of truth, adjudicating
0:41.8	what was true or false on the internet. When really we were just an internal
0:45.1	working group. To the personal crisis of a former Alex Jones
0:49.4	Cameron. I was very angry when I left and I wasn't angry at Jones, I was angry at myself.
0:55.5	It's all coming up after this. From WNYC in New York, this is on the media.
1:03.2	I'm Brooke Gladstone and co-hosting with me this week. OTM reporter, Michael
1:08.2	Loanger. Hey Brooke. I'm up first, so I'll start with of course the hearings
1:13.5	laying out what happened on that infamous January 6th. Political theater,
1:18.6	traditionally depicts heroes and villains, but in these pathological times, the script
1:24.1	followed by former members of the Trump White House, focused instead on the
1:28.4	normal and in the words of one Trump White House lawyer, Nettie. An inebriated
1:34.8	Rudy Giuliani clearly was the latter. Former White House political director
1:39.6	Bill Steppian proudly laid claim to the former. I didn't mind being
1:44.4	characterized as being part of the team normal as as reporters, you know, kind of
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