So the idea for this panel is to talk about biblical patriarchy. Eric just did a great job on the topic

and now putting into a little bit more into practice and discussion format. And let's begin by just praying.

Father, we pray that you would bless our time together. Help us to be wise. Help us to be clear in our discourse.

And we just pray that all that we say would be

ultimately for your glory and the good of your people. We pray this for Jesus' sake. Amen.

Okay, I'm just going to dive right in so that we don't like build up to exciting discourse. We can

just have it right away. So this is my first question for all of you.

It's a agree or disagree question with the follow-up being why. And we'll go individually.

Everybody gets the answer. Take as long as you want. And it could be just the only question

for 90 minutes and it might get us all the... I have a feeling. I have a feeling. So

it has been said recently on Twitter that the word was mirror, and I did not like it.

But that Tradwives is the mirror kind of exact opposite.

Like two sides, but of the same coin.

The mirror movement of red pill.

Agreeing? Disagreeing. And why? Eric, I'd love to hear from you first. Yeah, so I would disagree.

And the basic reason why is I think when you look at the red pill movement, I think the guy that most people will think of is Andrew Tate.

So if you follow the red pill movement down through like Andrew Tate,

what are you going to get?

You're going to get like Bugatti's and a harum, right?

And I think then when you look at something like Tradwives,

for the most part, it's like if what I get out of that is like pretty dresses and sourdough, I feel like that's a different thing than Andrew Tate.

So that's my basic disagree. And I know Brian, we were actually talking about this. He's got a long, beautiful.

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