The Complexity of Cult Recovery with Dr. Natalie Fabert
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🗓️ 5 November 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein talks with Dr. Natalie Fabert, an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University and a licensed psychologist specializing in trauma and abuse, particularly cultic abuse. Natalie announces her collaboration with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center on an online continuing education course designed for mental health clinicians to effectively support survivors of cult abuse and coercive control. Throughout the episode, Natalie discusses her journey into this area, the complexity of trauma recovery, and the importance of trauma-informed approaches in therapeutic settings. Rachel and Natalie highlight the need for specialized training for therapists and the significance of understanding and addressing the unique challenges faced by survivors.
Dr. Fabert’s Links
CE Course: https://lalichcenterce.thinkific.com/courses/lalichcenterCE
Lalich Center: https://www.lalichcenter.org/
Dr. Fabert’s Website: https://www.drfabert.com/
Dr. Fabert’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drfabert/
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control. |
| 0:11.1 | I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein. |
| 0:13.8 | You are not alone. |
| 0:16.7 | And now there are two resources that I've put together specifically for your journey. |
| 0:29.6 | This is your host, Rachel Bernstein. |
| 0:32.6 | I am an educator and a therapist and a cult specialist, |
| 0:40.8 | and I am very excited to announce restart and restore a journal for survivors of manipulation and a companion notebook that I've put |
| 0:51.2 | together to go with it that has people's stories that they've shared |
| 0:56.9 | with me, that they wanted to share with you, and some wonderful quotes from people whose |
| 1:03.6 | thoughts I truly admire, and more pages and writing prompts for you to continue with the writing that can help you along your |
| 1:14.9 | healing journey. |
| 1:17.1 | This isn't just another blank journal. |
| 1:20.7 | It's a trauma-informed recovery companion, and it offers psychoeducation on the mechanics of manipulation and control and therapeutic |
| 1:31.0 | writing prompts to explore your history and your strengths, practical exercises that transform |
| 1:38.8 | insights into some actionable steps, and the freedom to heal at your own pace. |
| 1:45.4 | You can do it in the time frame that works for you without any judgment or pressure. |
| 1:53.4 | Whether you joined the organization or the relationship that was controlling as a teen or as an |
| 1:59.2 | adult, restart and restore provides the structure |
| 2:03.1 | and I think validation needed to process your experiences safely. |
| 2:09.0 | I'm also excited to share beyond the journal and its companion notebook that I'm currently |
| 2:15.4 | working on a second journal specifically for those born and raised |
| 2:19.3 | in high control groups or high control family units, as their healing journey often involves |
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