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Autocracy in America

The Columnist

Autocracy in America

The Atlantic

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.8999 Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

When host Garry Kasparov created the Renew Democracy Initiative in 2017, the founding manifesto warned that “the liberal-democratic order is under attack from within and without.” Eight years later, things have not changed for the better. Garry is joined by Bret Stephens, a columnist for The New York Times and the principal author of that 2017 manifesto. Both Garry and Bret agree that democracy is under attack, and they envision a world where the forces of freedom are united and authoritarianism is in retreat. Together, they discuss what the future of democracy in the United States looks like, and if a change to the two-party system could be the realignment the country needs to secure its freedom.  Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/listener.Garry chairs the Renew Democracy Initiative, publisher of The Next Move. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:11.0

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0:19.0

Donald Trump has wasted no time in his second administration.

0:24.6

The moves he has made are familiar to anyone who has seen a democracy give way to autocracy.

0:30.6

Loyalists only, no matter how unqualified, a dubious claim to a mandate,

0:36.6

a sycophantic party apparatus that for the

0:39.8

moment controls both chambers of Congress, harnessing the power of the military against its own

0:44.6

people. I feel a great sense of urgency today, and those who want to preserve and strengthen

0:50.7

American values and American democracy should feel it too.

0:58.7

But how can we make sure our political system is up to the task?

1:04.0

From the Atlantic, this is autocracy in America.

1:18.8

I'm Gerick-A-Sport. My guest is Brett Stevens, a columnist for the New York Times.

1:24.3

He is also the principal author of the manifesto for what would become the Renewed Democracy Initiative, the organization I founded in New York in 2017.

1:29.3

The beginning of that document is an ideal introduction to our conversation.

1:33.9

It reads,

1:35.1

The modern world is at risk of losing its way.

1:38.7

The liberal democratic order is under attack from within and without.

1:43.0

The historical arc toward greater global stability, freedom and prosperity in large parts of the world

1:48.4

is at risk of being bent back toward political authoritarianism, economic stagnation, ideological extremism,

1:55.3

and international disorder.

1:57.8

Eight years later, we cannot say things have changed for the better.

2:01.6

When it comes to fighting authoritarian and would be dictators,

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