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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

The Collapse of the Centre

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

lotuseaters.com

Politics, News, Daily News

4.8977 Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Carl and Dan examine the undercurrents which are informing the change in British politics and where they might lead in future.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, folks. Welcome back to another one of these current events political chats that Dan and I have decided to start having, because there's a lot that's going on in British politics at the moment, but it's going on under the surface. And so I don't think as much attention to it is being called upon as is warrant it. Because a lot of things have happened, but they're small things, but they are

0:21.0

indicative of trends that are, I think, at some point going to kind of erupt out of the political

0:26.9

environment. And so I want to talk about them. So let's talk about some of the council

0:30.7

by election results that come in recently. As you can see here, this is in Exmouth-Holston,

0:41.3

in East Devon, where the Labour vote just completely collapsed. So when you say things are under the surface, are you talking about the Tories and Labor's prospect of ever forming a government again?

0:47.3

Well, yeah, actually. I actually do think we might be looking at the last Labour government. And I was tweeting about this the other day,

0:56.1

because it seems that the coalition that made up the Labour Party is just completely fractured at this point.

1:03.3

The Labour right, as they call it, made up of managerial Blair-Eyte types, were able to corral the working class and

1:13.8

the radical student politics types into the same coalition. But that seems to have just

1:19.0

completely been a blizzard. Well, that's an interesting question. Who are the

1:22.6

extant labor managerialist Blair rights.

1:28.3

I mean, I can think of Andy Burnham, but after that, I kind of come up short.

1:32.3

And he's not actually even in the parliamentary Labour Party at this point.

1:35.3

We'll talk about the parliamentary Labour Party in a minute.

1:37.3

But the question really is, who is their constituency?

1:39.3

And the answer is civil servants and NHS workers.

1:42.3

Well, and immigrants.

1:43.3

But they're losing them.

1:45.0

Well, exactly.

1:46.1

It's not even the immigrants, right?

1:48.3

And it seems that basically Labor were trying to pull in too many various parties

1:53.5

into the coalition that were too contradictory.

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