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One of the more fascinating aspects of my 10 years, almost 11 years of doing this, is seeing how certain ideas, books, thinkers have grown in popularity and also collapsed in popularity, mostly in the conservative movement.

When I got started in 2012, 2013, 2014 in particular, the conservative movement, especially the young conservative movement,

was very libertarian. The libertarian think tanks, libertarian organizations, almost all conservative

Republican literature was laced with hyper-libertarianism. And I'm not saying that critically.

I mean, I read Marie Rothbard, Ludumis, F.A. Hayek,

Ein Rann, became steeped in libertarianism, Milton Friedman, without really ever a proper,

similar journey until recently into Russell Kirk and Edmund Burke. And I've obviously become

more conservative and less libertarian on almost all

topics, but not all, most topics, not all topics in the last couple of years. But libertarianism

definitely had a moment in 12, 13, and 14. It felt like it was a rising tide. And then it's less

popular than ever before in the conservative movement, outside of a couple of issues like guns.

And I would say maybe civil liberties and privacy.

But to help us unpack this, super excited for this conversation because I've actually lived part of this is Andrew Copleman, award-winning John Paul Stevens Professor of Law at Northwestern University

and author of several other books as well. And the name of the book is Burning Down the House.

And Professor Coppelman joins us now. Professor, welcome to the program.

Thank you for having me. So, Professor, let's get our terms

straight. What do you mean by libertarianism? You say how libertarian philosophy was corrupted by

delusion and greed. I actually tend to agree with that largely. How do you define libertarian

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