The Cold War Classico: George Orwell on Dinamo Moscow, Arsenal & Chelsea
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
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🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into George Orwell's infamous essay on sport, specifically focusing on Dinamo Moscow's 1945 tour of Britain. They explore Orwell's controversial viewpoint that serious sport is akin to 'war minus the shooting,' and delve into the historical and political context of this post-WWII football tour. The discussion covers the tactical innovations introduced by the Soviet team, the media and public's reaction, and the broader implications for international sport and politics. This episode provides an in-depth look at how football can both unite and divide, reflecting on Orwell's critique and its relevance to today's sports culture.
00:00 Introduction: The Dark Side of Sports
01:05 George Orwell's Influence on Sports
01:49 The Political Context of the 1945 Moscow Tour
02:47 The Goodwill Tour: Ideals vs. Reality
05:00 The Soviet Union's Football Strategy
08:23 The Arrival of Dinamo Moscow
21:45 The First Match: Dinamo Moscow vs Chelsea
30:53 The Political Showdown: Arsenal vs Dinamo Moscow
32:31 The Final Game in Scotland
35:56 Soviet Propaganda and the Legacy of the Tour
40:36 Tactical Innovations and English Football's Response
47:36 George Orwell's Critique of Sport
53:18 Football's Role in Nationalism and International Relations
01:00:51 Concluding Thoughts on Orwell and Football
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| 0:00.0 | As soon as strong feelings of rivalry arouse, the notion of playing the game, according to the rules, always vanishes. |
| 0:13.7 | People want to see one side on top and the other side humiliated, and they forget that victory |
| 0:18.7 | gain through cheating or through the intervention of the crowd is meaningless. |
| 0:22.6 | Even when the spectators don't intervene physically, they try to influence the game by cheering their own side and rattling opposing players with booze and insults. |
| 0:34.6 | Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, |
| 0:40.0 | jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure and witnessing violence. |
| 0:45.3 | In other words, it is war minus the shooting. Welcome to It Was What It Was, the Football History |
| 0:52.2 | podcast. I'm Jonathan Wilson. I'm with Rob Draper. |
| 0:55.5 | And that was, I think, an excellent impression of George Orwell. And that's from his famous piece in Tribune on the 14th of December, 1945. So it's the 80th anniversary this week of that famous piece. And that line, war minus the shooting, you see |
| 1:12.0 | quoted regularly, often slightly out of context. But really, I think that line, that passage |
| 1:18.1 | exemplifies Orwell's attitude to sport. Orwell, I guess we should explain to people. Very famous |
| 1:26.8 | left-wing English writer. |
| 1:28.3 | He fought in the Spanish Civil War. |
| 1:30.2 | He wrote 1984, he wrote Animal Farm, a leftist who became very opposed to communism |
| 1:36.6 | as it was practiced in the Soviet Union. |
| 1:39.5 | What he saw in the Spanish Civil War really affected him. |
| 1:43.0 | And he's now, I think, probably the most quoted English left-wing figure of the 20th century. |
| 1:49.6 | What prompts that essay is a tour earlier that year by Donama Moscow of Britain. |
| 1:53.9 | And that's a tour that really took on great political dimensions. |
| 2:00.0 | It was gained huge crowds. |
| 2:02.8 | It's a very, very good to know on Moscow side, |
| 2:04.7 | but really the football was only part of the story. |
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