The Code of Capital: Markets, Big Tech, & Blockchain | Katharina Pistor
Hidden Forces
Demetri Kofinas
4.8 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 4 January 2021
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
In Episode 171 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Katharina Pistor, a leading scholar of corporate governance, money & finance, property rights, and comparative law & legal institutions. She's also a prominent commentator on cryptocurrencies, has testified before Congress about them, and has written papers dealing with the issues of digital statehood and monetary sovereignty. Her latest book, "The Code of Capital," is a tour de force that explains in captivating detail how the law is used to code and construct capital, protecting some assets over others, how this creates wealth for society, and how its use and abuse can make the difference between societal cohesion and political revolution.
In today's conversation, you will learn how the law—a powerful tool for social ordering and wealth creation—has been put to work in the service of private consolidation and political control. This leads us to focus on three, interrelated topics:
The first deals with the nature of property and how the legal system and its network of lawyers turn assets into capital by encoding them with certain, key attributes. One of these attributes, convertibility, has been notably expanded in its application over the last thirteen years, as central banks have accepted an ever broader basket of assets as collateral and used their balance sheets to monetize not only government debt, but mortgages, corporate bonds, and stock ETFs.
The second deals with a knock-on effect of the first, namely, the astronomical growth in the market value of Bitcoin. In this context, Bitcoin can be seen as an exogenous response to the erosion of trust and credibility in the conduct of monetary policy by central banks and in response to questions about the integrity of public money. But questions remain about whether or not a private form of money like Bitcoin can replace state-issued fiat money or if monetary sovereignty even exists without territorial sovereignty.
The third and final area of discussion looks at how creatures of the legal code, like Facebook, Google, Amazon, and others, are using that same code to not only control markets but effectively break them and transform the economic space into something that more closely resembles a system of bonded labour.
After listening to today's episode, you should be better able to understand how the world we live in today came to be, how its code has been altered, and why promises of a frictionless, deterministic future are chimeras; they are designed to divest us of not only our power but of the very agency that makes this experiment in democratic self-governance possible in the first place.
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Episode Recorded on 12/29/2020
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| 0:00.0 | The Hidden Forces Podcast features long-formed conversations, broken into two parts, the second hour of which is made available to our premium subscribers, along with transcripts and notes to each conversation. |
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| 0:32.0 | And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. What's up, up, everybody? What's up everybody? My guest on this episode of Hidden Forces is Katarina Pestor, a professor |
| 1:00.4 | of comparative law at Columbia Law, and a leading scholar and writer on corporate |
| 1:05.5 | governance, money and finance, property rights, and comparative law and legal institutions. |
| 1:11.9 | She's also a prominent commentator on |
| 1:14.0 | cryptocurrencies, has testified before Congress about them, and has written papers |
| 1:18.8 | dealing with the issues of digital statehood and monetary sovereignty. |
| 1:23.8 | Her latest book, The Code of Capital, is a tour de force that explains in captivating detail |
| 1:31.4 | how the law is used to code and construct capital, protecting some assets over others, |
| 1:37.0 | how this creates wealth for society, and how its use and abuse can make the difference between societal cohesion and political revolution. |
| 1:47.2 | In our conversation today, we focus on three different but interrelated topics that have long interest at me and which I think will |
| 1:54.8 | captivate you as well. The first deals with the nature of property and how the legal |
| 2:00.5 | system and its network of lawyers turns assets into capital by encoding |
| 2:05.4 | them with certain key attributes, specifically priority, which ranks competing claims to the |
| 2:11.3 | same asset, durability which extends priority claims in time, |
| 2:16.4 | universality, which extends them in space, and convertibility, which operates as an insurance |
| 2:21.8 | device that allows holders to convert their private |
| 2:24.9 | credit claims into state money on demand. |
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