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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reid Gailan. Today, I'm joined in person

by my fellow co-founder of the Lincoln Project, host of LP TVs, the breakdown, author of the

New York Times best sellers running against the devil and everything Trump touches dies,

and host of the new almost award-winning podcast, Rick Wilson's the enemies list. Rick, welcome back.

Thanks, Reid. Good to be with you. It's always good to see you in person. Right. We are far too

often remote. So it's been busy. Yeah. Is it always has been? You know, I've thought about this

for a long time, Rick, is that we knew that 20, 20 would be different than 2016 and the 24 would

be different than 2020. But it's always amazing to see how those things develop. If you had told me

even six months ago that you would have Joe Biden running for president again in a strong economy

where inflation had come down, that you had Donald Trump now twice indicted. I wouldn't necessarily

be surprised by that, but that you would also have Cornell West and Jill Stein running,

that you have Robert F. Kennedy Jr. running, that you have the Russians and the Saudis,

and the no labels of the world all running different things to try and make American democracy

more difficult to hold on to in the next 18 months. I would not have expected. Maybe it's because

of Stuart says we should always never have a lack of imagination. Right. But I'm surprised by

the forces arrayed and how quickly they are developing. We always tell people, you know, you can't

forget the lessons of 16 and 20. You can't forget, and yet they do over and over again. Jill Stein

is the reason Donald Trump won the presidency in 2016 because she dragged off enough numbers in places

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