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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Mellie Quarthorn.

In the 1950s and 60s, as African countries were gaining their independence from European empires,

a new power moved in.

In her book, White Malice, the historian Susan Williams explores the CIA's activities on the continent,

focusing in particular on the campaigns against Conger's Patrice Lumumba and Garner's Kwame and Krumer. She spoke to BBC History Magazine editor, Rob Atar. And just a heads up,

that due to some issues with the recording, Susan re-recorded one section of the interview

for us. That's why one question will sound slightly different to the rest. Your book focuses on a period

60 years ago when many African countries had either attained or battling to attain independence.

I wonder if you could briefly explain what the situation was in the continent in

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