This is Intelligence Matters, with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell.

We have several shows working with the writer of The Spy with Sasha Baron Cohen.

It's intoxicating. You want that. You sort of need that. But on the other hand, cases like this can't go on forever.

And if you run a case until your source dies, you are also not an effective espionage service.

This was an existential case. The main really lives and national boards were riding on this.

Sasha Baron Cohen really captures well sort of the essence of him trying to live two lives,

two identities, two competing realities, and hold them in their head and operate at the same time.

It's extraordinarily difficult.

John Cipher and Jerry O'Shea are former senior CIA operations officers.

They are also the founders of spycraft entertainment.

And they join us today to talk about the books, TV series, and movies that present the most realistic representations of CIA, intelligence, and espionage.

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I'm Micah Morrell, and this is Intelligence Matters.

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