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I'm Dr. Vince Houghton, the Museum's historian and curator.

Every week, the museum brings you interesting conversations with authors,

scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence. We're joined today by Dr. John Schindler, who's a strategist author and commentator whose security

focused career has included a couple decades as both a scholar and practitioner.

He was previously a

professor of National Security Affairs at the US Naval War College

where he taught courses on security, strategy, intelligence, terrorism, and military

history. Before joining the faculty, he spent nearly a decade with

the National Security Agency as an intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer.

He worked problems in Eastern Europe in the Middle East with a counter-espionage flavor, and

he collaborated closely with other government agencies.

He's also served as an officer specializing in cryptology in the U.S. Navy Reserve.

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