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Today we're stepping out of the timeline of the early Middle Ages or dark ages.

We're going to see the ultimate fruit that came from the seeds planted in the five and six hundreds,

the times we're talking about in the current series.

The very complicated relationship and conflict between the secular lords of Europe and the Roman papacy is really what the heart of the matter is.

Today, though, is a very special episode recorded with Travis Dow of the History of Germany podcast.

The history of Germany is inextricably linked with the history of the Roman papacy.

In the last episode, our number 64, we see a German barbarian tribe taking over as rulers of Italy.

This is the very beginning of the story.

The investiture controversy of the 11th century is really the end of the story, so to speak.

We're moving through the Middle Ages into this new era of history, and I think it's important to look ahead and behind because we

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