The Chopping Block w/ Guy Young: Lessons from USD0, Ethena's Bold Vision, and DeFi’s Future - Ep. 766

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Laura Shin

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🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, we’re joined by Guy Young, CEO and founder of Ethena Labs, to break down the hard truths behind DeFi’s most recent chaos. We dive into the USD0++ depeg and its ripple effects across the ecosystem, exploring what went wrong and the critical lessons for the future of stable assets. Plus, we discuss Ethena’s meteoric rise, Guy’s vision for synthetic dollars, and how innovative yield strategies are reshaping DeFi. Stay tuned as we debate, analyze, and uncover the hidden forces shaping crypto today. Show highlights 🔹 USD0++ Depeg Drama: A deep dive into what caused the USD0++ depeg, the mechanics behind the chaos, and the broader implications for DeFi. 🔹 Lessons on Risk Transparency: Why sudden rule changes eroded trust and how protocols can improve communication to avoid similar fallout. 🔹 Ethena’s Rise and Vision: Guy Young shares the story of Ethena’s explosive growth, its innovative synthetic dollar model, and its role in DeFi’s evolution. 🔹 The Yield Dilemma: Exploring how Ethena’s yield model works, its appeal, and the risks it carries for users and the ecosystem. 🔹 DeFi’s Distribution Problem: Why centralized exchanges remain the key to scaling synthetic assets and stablecoins like Ethena’s USD. 🔹 Transparency vs. Overconfidence: Drawing lessons from Luna’s downfall and how Ethena’s approach to clear communication sets a new standard. 🔹 Athena’s 2025 Roadmap: From DeFi integrations to TradFi adoption, what’s next for Ethena as it scales synthetic dollars globally. 🔹 Reflections on Building in DeFi: Guy Young opens up about the challenges, surprises, and rewards of leading one of DeFi’s fastest-growing projects. 🔹 2025 Predictions: The crew debates who might become this year’s “main character” in crypto and what that could mean for the market. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️Guy Young, CEO & Founder of Ethena Labs Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:30 Changes to Usual Money’s Protocol 06:05 Reactions & Analysis 09:12 Lessons from USD0 18:35 Transparency vs. Miscommunication 22:42 Ethena: A DeFi Success Story 32:12 Demand for Stablecoins & Yield 36:40 Custody & Market Structure Post-FTX 43:58 Handling Negative Yields and Market Corrections 48:22 Ethena's Roadmap and Future Plans 55:53 Reflections on Building Ethena Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	If you are not fairly sophisticated with respect to understanding both finance and
0:04.4	Defi, you should probably not be playing these games.
0:07.0	These are really something that requires, as you can see, from the storytelling, that really
0:12.1	requires quite a bit of financial sophistication to understand what these products even are,
0:16.1	what their risks are, and what to do when the game changes.
0:20.5	If you don't really understand, you know, if don't really understand what we were just talking about,
0:23.2	about the cost of capital and the risk free rate and all this stuff,
0:26.6	probably you are not going to win this game.
0:28.8	Not a dividend.
0:30.0	It's a tale of two quons.
0:31.0	Now, your losses are on someone else's balance.
0:33.8	Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.
0:36.4	I'm in the trading firms who are very involved.
0:39.1	I like that ETH is the ultimate POMP.
0:41.3	Defi protocols are the antidote to this problem.
0:45.0	Hello, everybody.
0:45.6	Welcome to the chopping block.
0:46.6	Every couple weeks, the four of us get together and give the industry insiders perspective
0:50.0	on the crypto topics of the day.
0:51.6	So quick intro, first you got Tom, the Defy Maven and Master of Memes.
0:54.9	Hello, everyone. Next we've got Robert, the Cryptoconisour and Tsar of Superstate.
1:00.5	Good evening. Joining us today, we've got Guy, Giga Chad, and Economic Evangelist at Athena.
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