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The Chopping Block: USDH Bake-off—Native Markets, Validators & the “Beauty Contest” Debate - Ep. 903

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 September 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Hyperliquid’s USDH ticker set off the most dramatic “RFP” in recent memory. The crew breaks down why Native Markets ran away with validator support, whether the process was theater or strategy, and how the Bake-off became a marketing masterstroke—and potential leverage on Circle. We dig into Polymarket odds, the last‑minute Paxos bribery allegation (denied), and what this means for future “native” stables on Solana, app chains, and beyond. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Guy founder of Ethena as a special guest, as a single ticker (USDH) sparked a weeklong spectacle: Hyperliquid’s “Bake-off” to award the USDH stablecoin brand. Native Markets surged ahead as validators signaled support, Paxos rallied late with partners and incentives, and Ethena ultimately withdrew. Was this always a vibes‑based beauty contest, or a deliberate move to pressure Circle and re‑route bridge yield? We parse the incentives, the governance, and the market microstructure — and peek at what happens if every big chain/app tries the “native stablecoin” playbook. Show highlights🔹 Hyperliquid RFP, Explained — Validators signaled early; stakers could migrate; the USDH “ticker” confers no explicit fee rights, yet bidders offered huge economics. 🔹 Why Native Won — “Vibes-based beauty contest”: homegrown team fit the HL ethos; speed, alignment, and community trust trumped external credentials. 🔹 Paxos Allegation — Late claim of validator bribery surfaced; Paxos denied; no receipts provided; underscores governance fragility to extra‑protocol incentives. 🔹 The Real Prize — Bridge control & yield capture (+ tail‑risk management) mattered more than a brand: even a “just a ticker” beachhead can evolve to real economics. 🔹 Masterstroke Marketing — The public Bake-off dragged every major issuer onstage, boosting HL mindshare and potential leverage in any USDC negotiation. 🔹 Open vs. Closed — If you want a native team, say so; calling it an “RFP” for service providers while preferring insiders created dissonance and drama. 🔹 Odds vs. Votes — Polymarket odds rapidly converged on Native despite splashy rival bids—perception and validator reality diverged from Twitter takes. 🔹 Issuer Margins Compress — Public bids commoditize stablecoin issuance; expect 5–15 bps “asset‑manager” style economics unless you’re Tether‑scale. 🔹 App/Chain Rent Wars — Who captures the float? Apps, wallets, and chains will increasingly demand economics for distribution; UX and liquidity fragmentation loom. 🔹 Liquidity Gotchas — Forcing a nonstandard stable can impair quotes vs. USDT pairs elsewhere; exchanges risk killing their golden goose to save a few bps. Hosts⁠ ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️Guy Young, Founder & CEO of Ethena Labs Disclosures⁠⁠ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:27 Hyperliquid USDH Stablecoin Proposal: Setup & Stakes 03:25 USDH “Bake-off”: Native Markets vs. Paxos, Ethena, Frax 06:21 Early Signals, Rumors, and Bribery Allegations 13:33 Validator Decisions, Community Reactions & Market Fallout 28:53 Polymarket Odds & Onchain Sentiment 29:47 Liquidity, Bridge Yield, & Market Microstructure Explained 31:46 Hyperliquid’s Strategic Playbook 34:28 Governance Design 37:45 Stablecoin Ecosystem 39:25 Exchange Liquidity Challenges, Maker Behavior & Fee Dynamics 55:28 Final Takeaways & Lessons for Chains, Exchanges & Issuers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

like just makes me mad to see this just like bullshit narrative that everyone's like,

0:04.6

oh, there's this really close competition and everyone's bidding for this thing. If all the validators are kind of like, hey, we all know who's, you know, we're all going to vote for our man. And look, again, if this were just framed that way, like, great, that's totally fine. There are a lot of good reasons why you should give it to a native team. But when it's just kind of, when it's when it's theater.

0:23.8

And no one's willing to call out

0:25.5

that it's theater, that's what pisses me off. Not a dividend. It's a tale of two pawn. Now,

0:30.9

your losses are on someone else's balance. Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless

0:34.9

anyways. I'm in the trading firms who are very involved. D5.E.5 protocols are the antidote to this problem. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the chopping block. Every couple weeks, the four of us get together and give the industry insider's perspective on the crypto topics of the day. So quick and joins for us to got Tom, the Defy Maven and Master of Memes.

0:54.9

Hello, everyone. Next, we've got Robert, the Cryptoconisur, and Tsar of Super State.

0:59.6

Good morning. Then we've got Tarun, the Gig of Brain and Grand Puba at Gauntlet.

1:05.1

Hi, I'm Tarun. I'm late. Aloha. I'm late. And then joining us today, we have special guest Guy, Emperor at Athena.

1:15.7

Hello, everyone.

1:17.3

And I am a Steve, the head hype man, a dragonfly.

1:19.6

We are early stage investors in crypto, but I want to caveat that nothing we say here is

1:22.5

investment advice, legal advice, or even life advice.

1:25.3

Please see Chopping Block that X, Y, Z for more disclosures.

1:27.4

So it has been a drama-filled week in Cryptoland, and at the center of this drama,

1:32.5

and so I thought there was already a lot of drama at the beginning of the week, but now we are here

1:36.0

in the late portion of the week, and the drama has hit kind of p, almost like 20, 21 levels of drama.

1:42.2

So let's talk about some of that drama, and it centers once again around the decentralized

1:47.1

exchange hyperliquid.

1:49.4

So hyperliquid, for those of you who don't know, it's the number one trading venue on chain, period.

1:54.0

One of the largest exchanges in the world at this point.

1:56.4

It's top 10 by total trading volume.

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