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The Chopping Block: Kevin Zhou on Why He Knew Terra Would Crash - Ep.353

Unchained

Laura Shin

Tech News, Business News, News

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2022

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to The Chopping Block! Crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Tarun Chitra chop it up about the latest news in the digital asset industry. On this episode, Kevin Zhou, the CEO of Galois Capital and long-time critic of UST, also joined the conversation. Show topics: the UST depeg and Terra collapse  Kevin on what it was like being one of the earliest naysayers of LUNA why Kevin believes that UST initially depegged and became a “fear cascade” how Galois Capital traded the UST depeg, from shorting LUNA to keeping their UST in Anchor until the last moment why Kevin was disappointed in the lack of transparency in how Luna Foundation Guard attempted to defend the UST peg the implications of UST’s collapse across the crypto and traditional financial markets  whether Terra’s decline will lead to more regulation in the crypto industry why Anchor was the “cancer” of the Terra system  why VCs are reticent to say something bad about protocols they don’t believe in why grifting is so much more prevalent in crypto  what Jump Trading had to do with the Terra collapse the difference between the way trading and VC firms interact with crypto the issues with the Terra 2 proposal without UST which chains are receiving the people leaving the Terra ecosystem  why Haseeb compared the collapse of UST to the collapse of the Soviet Union who Kevin believes should be reimbursed in the aftermath of the UST collapse how political considerations might affect how Terra continues to develop going forward why Terra NFTs were skyrocketing during the Terra meltdown whether crypto is in a bear or bull market Hosts   Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly Capital https://twitter.com/hosseeb Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly Capital https://twitter.com/tomhschmidt Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures https://twitter.com/tarunchitra  Robert Leshner, founder of Compound  https://twitter.com/rleshner    Guest Kevin Zhou, CEO of Galois Capital https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-zhou-82938324/    Previous Unchained Coverage   Nic Carter, Erik Voorhees, and Eric Wall on the collapse of UST https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-terra-collapsed-and-whether-an-algo-stablecoin-can-ever-succeed/  Do Kwon on backing UST with BTC ​​https://unchainedpodcast.com/do-kwon-is-backing-ust-with-bitcoin-and-heres-what-else-he-is-building/ Kevin Zhou on the risk of UST’s death spiral https://unchainedpodcast.com/heres-why-usdn-depegged-from-the-dollar-and-why-ust-might-too/  Jon Wu on how Terra got depegged: https://unchainedpodcast.com/did-someone-deliberately-attack-terra-luna-to-kick-off-a-death-spiral/ Do Kwon on The Chopping Block https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xl8u7-KVwM    Haseeb’s summary of the Terra collapse: https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/the-reign-of-terra-the-rise-and-fall-of-ust-208dabbc8e6e   Jon Wu’s write-up on the UST Depeg Article: https://www.notboring.co/p/terra-to-the-moon-and-back  Thread: https://twitter.com/jonwu_/status/1523793482850050048?s=20&t=lvB1zdz98wu5TE5emh4fCw    Terra Background Info  Twitter: https://twitter.com/terra_money  UST Mechanics: https://angelprotocol.medium.com/how-does-ust-work-ec7b2f6e2c2c UST Bank Run: https://www.wsj.com/articles/crash-of-terrausd-shakes-crypto-there-was-a-run-on-the-bank-11652371839 Speculation of a deliberate attack: https://onchainwizard.substack.com/p/how-to-make-800m-in-crypto-soros?s=r Do Kwon’s Proposed Terra’s Revival: https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/05/13/do-kwon-proposes-restart-of-terra-blockchain-as-ust-luna-plummet/ Anchor: https://twitter.com/anchor_protocol  Terra 2.0: https://unchainedpodcast.com/do-kwon-has-a-new-plan-again/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, everybody. Welcome to the chopping block. Every couple weeks, the, usually four, but

0:05.8

currently three of us get together and give the industry insiders perspective on the

0:08.8

crypto topics of the day. So quick intros. First of all, we got Tom, the DeFi Maven and

0:12.9

Master of Means. Next, we've got Taroon, the Gigabrain and Grand Poo-Bah at Comet. There's

0:17.8

me, Haseeb, I'm head height manager, Dragonfly, and special guest. Today, we have joining us

0:22.4

Kevin Joe, King of the Shorts, and co-founder of Galawaw Capital. Welcome, Kevin. Glad to

0:29.0

be here. And I, you know, I'm actually pretty happy that you got me a nickname too. You

0:34.7

know, I feel like this is like, this is like the crypto version, like the all-in podcast

0:38.2

or something. You know, everybody got a nickname, you know, it's great. We're aiming for

0:42.3

that. We're aiming for the all-in podcast to be the, the normy version of the chopping

0:46.5

block. That's good. That's awesome. I mean, we don't have the crazy rhymes that have been

0:50.6

happening on the all-in podcast. I randomly listed recently and they have these like

0:54.2

icos now for everyone. It's not, they went from just like nickname to like, he's like

0:58.6

long icos. How does Jason come up with all this stuff? I mean, his staff is hard at work

1:03.0

or something, huh? His staff is working hard. Like, he must just be hiring like people

1:07.4

from like comedies. I know what our staff is doing. They should be, they should be writing

1:10.6

interest for me. Why aren't you at the all-in summit? Yeah, I thought you were going to be

1:13.8

taking notes and catching up with Jason and asking for a few back on the show, but you're

1:18.0

missing out. I've been too busy with permissionless, man. I couldn't, couldn't split my time

1:23.1

in the kitchen. Kevin, just as a, if there's ever a chopping block summit, of course,

1:28.0

you know, all guests have. Oh, that's wonderful. Definitely. I'm speaking on behalf of

1:34.0

Haseeb, who probably never has thought about this concept at all. Well, obviously, Taroon

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