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The Chopping Block: Ethereum’s Civil War, L2 Taxation, and Vitalik’s Milady Moment - Ep. 776

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, we dive into Ethereum’s growing identity crisis as frustration mounts over the Ethereum Foundation’s leadership, vision, and sluggish innovation. Is Ethereum losing its edge while Solana, Base, and Tron take over? We also break down the Second Foundation drama, discuss Justin Sun’s wild L2 taxation proposal, and debate whether Ethereum needs a CTO-style overhaul to stay competitive. Plus, Vitalik Buterin’s unexpected embrace of the Milady NFT movement and what Gary Gensler’s exit from the SEC means for the future of crypto regulation. Show highlights 🔹 Ethereum Civil War? The Ethereum Foundation (EF) faces internal and external backlash as Vitalik defends its “WEF soy boy” ethos. Critics call for leadership changes, faster innovation, and a more aggressive growth strategy. 🔹 Second Foundation Fakeout: Rumors spread that Lido’s founder was launching a rival EF, briefly pumping ETH before being debunked. The buzz reignites calls for governance changes. 🔹 L2 Taxation Debate: Justin Sun proposes a 5B ETH tariff on rollups to fund buybacks, sparking debates on Ethereum’s fragmented ecosystem and lack of value accrual. 🔹 Vitalik Goes Milady: Ethereum’s co-founder embraces the Milady NFT subculture, changes his profile pic, and adopts the meme’s signature sign-off, fueling speculation about crypto’s shifting cultural landscape. 🔹 Ethereum’s Identity Crisis: With Solana, Base, and Tron dominating user adoption, is Ethereum too slow and academic to compete? Calls for an Ethereum “CTO” or more centralized execution grow louder. 🔹 Gensler’s Next Move: Gary Gensler exits the SEC and returns to MIT to teach AI & finance. Crypto celebrates his departure, while an AI-generated rap video mocks his legacy. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Disclosures Links Hayden Adam’s Tweet:  https://x.com/haydenzadams/status/1884134669265891433 Justin Sun’s EF Plan Tweet: https://x.com/justinsuntron/status/1881999625990836229  Scaling Ethereum L1 and L2s in 2025 and Beyond by Vitalik Buterin: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2025/01/23/l1l2future.html  Zen and the Art of Shifting Mindsets in Technology: Aya Miyaguchi interview in Wired Magazine: https://wired.jp/article/the-next-innovators-4-aya-miyaguchi-en/  Timestamps  00:00 Intro 01:47 Ethereum Foundation's Civil War 05:53 The Bronze Age Mentality 07:32 Community Criticism and Governance 10:03 Vitalik's New Persona: Embracing Milady 14:33 Future of Ethereum and L2s 37:39 L1 vs L2: Do People Really Care? 42:12 Ethereum's Strategy and Colonialism Analogy 46:10 The Role of the Ethereum Foundation 58:34 Gary Gensler's Move to MIT and His Legacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

And I think that's what you're seeing is all these people voicing really loudly,

0:02.8

hey, the meta shifted. It shifted a few years ago, but like it's definitely super fucking shifted now.

0:08.2

So like, please, this big pile of resources and money and institutional capital that we have in Ethereum can do a lot.

0:16.0

But right now, it's not structured to be able to do any of the things that we needed to do to advance Ethereum.

0:21.9

Not a dividend.

0:23.0

It's a tail of two quons.

0:24.1

Now, your losses are on someone else's balance.

0:26.9

Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:29.7

Unimmed trading firms who are very involved.

0:32.5

I like that ETH is the ultimate pump.

0:34.6

D5 protocols are the antidote to this problem.

0:38.1

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the ultimate policy. Defi protocols are the antidote to this problem. Hello, everybody.

0:38.9

Welcome to the chopping block.

0:40.2

At least the number three podcast in crypto, according to Robert Leshner.

0:44.4

So the four of us, every couple weeks, the four of us get together and give the industry

0:47.9

insight's perspective on the crypto topics of the day.

0:51.0

So quick intro, first you got Tom, the Defy Maven and Master of Memes.

0:54.7

Hello, everyone.

0:59.0

Next, we've got Robert, the Cryptoconassur, and Tsar of Super State.

1:00.2

Good evening, everybody.

1:04.6

And we've got Tarun, the Gigabrein and Grand Puba at Gauntlet.

1:05.4

Yo.

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