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Unchained

The Chopping Block: Corpo Chains, Monero’s AI Vampire Attack, and DAT Mania - Ep. 887

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 August 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Altcoin season meets corporate blockchains as Circle and Stripe launch their own L1s, Monero suffers the biggest 51% attack in history (powered by an AI named “Garth”), and the crew debates whether the DAT boom is heading toward equilibrium or mania. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew dives into the surprising altcoin rally and asks whether ETH still counts as an alt. The big news: Circle unveils Arc, Stripe leaks Tempo — and crypto Twitter is not impressed. We explore why major fintechs are launching their own chains instead of using Ethereum L2s, and whether stablecoin-centric blockchains are the future or just profit grabs. Then: the wildest headline of the week — Monero gets hit with a 51% attack by Qubic, a project training an AI called “Garth,” in what might be the largest attack of its kind. We break down the game theory, the proof-of-work vs. proof-of-stake debate, and what this foreshadows for Bitcoin’s security decades from now. Also: Trump’s executive order opens the door for crypto in 401(k) plans, we speculate about a future GPU debt market crisis, and dissect the state of play in Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) — including whether yield advantages over staking ETFs mean we’re only halfway to mania. Show highlights 🔹 ETH vs. Alts – Is Ethereum still an altcoin, or has it graduated to “major” status? 🔹 Circle’s Arc & Stripe’s Tempo – Why are fintech giants launching their own L1s instead of using Ethereum L2s? 🔹 Crypto Twitter Backlash – The ethos clash between “public goods” culture and corporate profit motives. 🔹 Monero’s 51% Attack – Qubic’s AI Garth mines enough hash power to take over Monero as a “proof of concept.” 🔹 Game Theory & Chain Security – Why PoW is fun (and dangerous) to reason about, and how PoS differs. 🔹 Bitcoin’s Future Risk – How tail emissions (or lack thereof) could leave BTC open to similar attacks. 🔹 401(k) Goes Crypto – Trump’s executive order allows digital assets in retirement accounts. 🔹 GPU Debt Crisis Fanfic – Tarun’s prediction for a future financial meltdown. 🔹 DATs Debate – Are Digital Asset Treasuries sustainable, or primed for a spectacular unwind? 🔹 Yield Edge over ETFs – Why DATs may outperform staking ETFs in capturing on-chain yield. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Democratizing Access To Alternative Assets For 401(K) Investors  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/democratizing-access-to-alternative-assets-for-401k-investors/  Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:01 Crypto Market Sentiments 02:29 Circle’s Arc & Stripe's Tempo 07:34 Corporate Chains vs. L2 Solutions 17:57 Monero's 51% Attack by Qubic 27:11  Real-World & Protocol Incentives 29:33 Monero's Tail Emission & Bitcoin's Future 34:39 Trump’s Executive Order: Crypto in 401(k)s 37:15 Next Financial Crisis? GPU Debt Crisis 41:15 DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

There's a strong libertarian hypercapitalist impulse behind crypto, which should be cheering on companies doing whatever the fuck they want. Like, this is a permissionless technology. And permissionlessness means you can just do what you want. You can just try a thing and like see if it works. Not a dividend. It's a tale of two quons. Now, your losses are on someone else's balance. Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:21.6

Unnamed trading firms who are very involved.

0:24.3

D5.E.O.E.

0:26.4

Defi protocols are the antidote to this problem.

0:30.1

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the chopping block.

0:31.5

Every couple weeks, the four of us get together and give the industry insider's

0:34.1

perspective on the crypto topics of the day.

0:36.5

So quick intro is first you got Tom, the DFIy Maven and Master of Memes. Hello, everyone. Next we got Robert, the Cryptoconisur, and Tsar of Superstate. Aloha. Next we got Tarun, the Gigabrain, and Grand Puba at Gauntlet. Yo. And finally, I'm a sieve, the head hype man at Dryden Fly. We're early-Stage investors in crypto, but I want to caveat that nothing we say here is investment advice, legal advice, or even life advice. Please see Choblin Blockett, X, Y, Z for more disclosures. So, Eith just hit all-time high. I think we are officially in an all-coin market now. Boys, how are you feeling?

1:12.6

Exhausted. What about you?

1:14.7

Exhausted. Why are you exhausted?

1:18.7

Wait, is that not, are you not elated? Are you not bullion?

1:21.8

Like, is there not another adjective you would describe yourself as?

1:29.3

I like elated, I guess. I think everyone is, you know, in the midst of any high velocity, lots of coins are moving, a lot of things are happening, the news cycles are getting intense. I think a lot of

1:34.2

people get exhausted. So I'm elated and exhausted. There's just so much happening in so many

1:39.0

directions. I can't stay on top of it. Is Eth still an alt coin? Or are you generally speaking,

2:22.5

the markets are moving? I feel like ETH has graduated by this point to not. I feel like if you don't have an ETF, you're an alt coin. But if you do, yeah, you're good to go. You're a major. You're a major. I always think of Bitcoin and the alts. Yeah, I think of Bitcoin and the alts and like majors is like a separate, it's like a different way of dividing up things. Bitcoin and Alt sounds like a 1950s like do-op band, you know? It's like, yeah. Next up, we got Bitcoin and the Al. Ether. Bitcoin. Oh, Robert, keep going. Keep going. That was good. Do up, do up. Bitcoin. Do up, do up. Ether and alts.

2:28.4

Okay, very good. All right. So with that as the intro, let's get into the stories of this week.

2:35.5

So first, we've got in, maybe in response to alt season, we've got some new chains that are launching, except these chains have a twist.

2:37.1

These chains are all being launched by gigantic fintech companies.

2:41.7

So first we've got Circle.

2:43.6

We got these Corpo chains, as they're sometimes being called now.

2:46.8

So the first corpo chain is Circle.

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