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The Chopping Block: Coinbase’s Paul Grewal on Why the SEC Is Going After Crypto So Aggressively - Ep. 538

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2023

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Tarun Chitra, chop it up about the latest news. This week, the gang goes in depth with Coinbase chief legal officer Paul Grewal to discuss Grayscale’s win in its court case against the SEC, Coinbase’s ongoing dust-up with the SEC, the onerous new crypto reporting regulations proposed by the U.S. Treasury, and the unsettling legal arguments behind the government crackdown on Tornado Cash.  Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights:  why Paul considers the court ruling in favor of Grayscale in its case against the SEC “nothing short of monumental” how much it actually matters if a spot Bitcoin ETF gets approved what options the SEC has now to pursue its position why BlackRock may have applied for its spot Bitcoin ETF when it did how the SEC 'changed its tune' and went from approving Coinbase’s S1 to suing them in a federal court, according to Paul how the collapse of FTX may have affected the SEC’s view of Coinbase why Coinbase has decided to wage its battle against the SEC so publicly  when Paul expects a final decision to be made on the SEC’s lawsuit against Coinbase what Paul would do to regulate the digital asset industry if he were Gary Gensler whether the Treasury Department’s extensive proposed reporting regulations mean the crypto industry is “screwed”  why Paul believes that the government’s crackdown on Tornado Cash is "dead wrong on the law" Hosts Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly  Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly  Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures Guest: Paul Grewal, chief legal officer of Coinbase Previous appearances on Unchained:  Just a Coincidence? Coinbase and Polygon Lawyers See Bad Omens in SEC Crackdown Coinbase’s Top Lawyer Calls SEC Wells Notice a ‘Massive Overreach’ Disclosures Links Unchained:  Grayscale Wins Lawsuit Against SEC Over Denial of Bid to Convert GBTC Into a Bitcoin ETF SEC Issues Coinbase a Wells Notice Tornado Cash Cofounder Arrested, Another Sanctioned by U.S. Government Bitcoin ETFs Explained: What Are They & How Do They Work? Coinbase: We asked the SEC for reasonable crypto rules for Americans. We got legal threats instead. TechCrunch: SEC settles first NFT enforcement case, fines LA media company $6M The Block: Treasury, IRS release proposed crypto tax reporting rules Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Not as dividend. It's a tale of two-quons. Now your losses are on someone else's

0:04.5

balance. Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:07.7

I'm in trading firms who are very involved.

0:10.7

I like that heat of the ultimate pump.

0:12.8

DeFi protocols are the antidote to this problem.

0:15.9

Hello everybody, welcome to the shopping block. Every couple weeks the four of us get together

0:19.8

and give the industry inside a perspective on the crypto topics of the day. So we've got

0:23.9

a special guest today, but let me quick do intros for us who got Tom, the DeFi Maven

0:27.2

and Master of Needs. Next we've got Turun, the Gigabrain, and Grand Puba at Kotlin.

0:31.8

Today we've got a special guest, Paul Grewall, the chief legal ease officer at Coinbase.

0:36.1

And then I've got myself on the seed that had high amount of dragonfly. So we are early

0:39.2

stage investors in crypto, but I want to caveat that nothing we say here is legal advice,

0:42.8

life advice, or investment advice, at least the shopping block that X, Y, Z, or order

0:46.4

disclosures. Paul, it's great to have you here in person.

0:49.0

Thanks for having me on, guys. Appreciate it.

0:50.8

This today, I mean we were planning this obviously, but today's a very special day because today

0:55.3

was just the day that it was announced that the grayscale Bitcoin spot ETF lawsuit, basically

1:03.0

grayscale one. And a judge kind of smacked the SEC and said, hey, no, this is, I believe

1:09.0

the term was arbitrary and capricious. Market is up. Coinbase is up 14%. Bitcoin is

1:14.6

up 8, 6%. There's jubilation in the markets. Like, oh my God, the people of the courts are

1:18.4

finally pushing back on the SEC. Let me just get a quick reaction from you. What do you

1:23.2

think about this whole situation that we've seen today with the grayscale win?

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