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The Chopping Block: Can Crypto Clean Itself Up? Market Structure, Trust, and Regulation - Ep. 833

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and special guest Evgeny Gaevoy of Wintermute break down the biggest stories in crypto. This week: the $38M Move token dump exposes the shady side of market making, with shocking incentives that blurred the line between liquidity support and pure exit liquidity. We dig into what really happened, why major VCs looked the other way, and how the entire token launch playbook might be broken. Evgeny joins to give the market maker’s perspective — and to answer the question: how many more of these sh*t shows are still lurking beneath the surface? Show highlights 🔹 $38M Token Dump Exposed – How Movement Labs’ shady deal with Web3Port revealed the dark side of crypto market making. 🔹 Market Makers or Exit Liquidity? – Inside the incentive structure that let a market maker dump tokens and split profits with the foundation. 🔹 VCs Looked the Other Way – Why top investors backed Movement Labs despite red flags — and what it says about crypto due diligence. 🔹 Rushi Gets Fired – The Movement Labs CEO is out after weeks of denial. But was the rest of the team complicit too? 🔹 Wintermute’s Evgeny Speaks Out – The biggest market maker in crypto weighs in on shady deals, dump mechanics, and transparency failures. 🔹 Airdrops, Float Games, and Retail Rugging – We dissect how token launches get manipulated behind the scenes — and who really pays. 🔹 The Case for Disclosure – Why Haseeb argues crypto needs mandatory public disclosures for market making agreements — before regulators step in. 🔹 Self-Regulation or SEC Crackdown? – Can the industry grow up on its own… or are we begging for another wave of securities enforcement? 🔹 Crypto’s Trust Crisis – Without transparency, the entire token model risks collapse. This episode lays out how to fix it. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️ Evgeny Gaevoy, Founder and CEO at Wintermute Inside Movement’s Token-Dump Scandal: Secret Contracts, Shadow Advisers and Hidden Middlemen by Sam Kessler  🔗https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2025/04/30/inside-movement-s-token-dump-scandal-secret-contracts-shadow-advisors-and-hidden-middlemen  Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:19 Movement Labs Scandal: Inside the Market Maker Mess 06:26 How Crypto Market Making Really Works 10:54 Rigged from the Start? 17:25 Who Knew What? Movement Labs and the Industry Fallout 25:57 Why Crypto Needs a Market Maker Disclosure 34:45 Transparency vs. Manipulation 38:02 Do Market Makers Control Token Prices? 51:51 The Crypto Market Structure Bill: What’s at Stake 59:18 Can We Fix Crypto Before It Breaks? HostsDisclosuresLinks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yeah, this seems like a shit show.

0:01.6

I wonder how many more shit shows there are under the surface right now where there's a crazy

0:05.3

market maker doing a crazy thing and a team that didn't not have to negotiate it correctly.

0:10.0

There's all these bad terms and all these bad incentives and it's just a fiasco.

0:14.8

And now that I think the world's a little bit more clued into like what are market makers

0:19.2

and how they work, hopefully we have more stories that come out about like what's actually happening under the

0:24.9

surface because right now there's just so little transparency.

0:27.9

Not a dividend.

0:29.1

It's a tale of two Kwan.

0:30.2

Now your losses are on someone else's balance.

0:33.0

Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:35.6

I'm in the trading firms who are very involved. I like that

0:39.0

8 is the ultimate policy. DeFi protocols

0:41.4

are the antidote to this problem.

0:44.3

Hello everybody. Welcome to the chopping

0:45.5

block. Every couple weeks, the four of us get together

0:47.5

and give the industry insider's perspective

0:49.1

on the crypto topics of the day.

0:51.4

So quick intro, first you got Tom, the DFI

0:53.0

and Master of Memes. So quick intro, first you got Tom, the Defy Maven and Master of Memes.

0:54.2

Hello, everyone. Next, we've got Robert, the Cryptoconisur and Tsar of Super State.

0:58.7

Good morning. Joining us repeat guests, we have Yv Guinea, high frequency hustler and head honcho at Wintermute.

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