Next, on Making Sense of the Madness, we talk to an author who lays out the real challenge China poses to our civilization.

We're going to question the mainstream narrative and expose media propaganda right now. Frank Gaffney is the founder and executive chairman of the Center for Security Policy.

This is a nonpartisan organization championing peace through

strength. And Frank, you know, thank you so much for joining us. I wanted to ask you about

your new book, The Indictment, about China. Why now? Why are you releasing this book now?

Is this an important moment for us?

It's probably overdue, to be honest with you, but I tried to get it out sooner and I guess

it was God's plan that it needed to be done now.

And it does seem as though it's both highly relevant to the present moment and something

that is being gobbled up, I'm happy to say,

by people across this country who have been yearning, I think, to have someone essentially

explain what on earth is going on with the Chinese Communist Party and its designs on us as well as others.

And I'm reminded of that old story about, you know, a couple of blind people trying to figure

out what on earth they're dealing with when each of them has a piece of an elephant, you

know, a tusk, tail, a leg, trunk.

All of that is the kind of situation that I think too many of us find ourselves in where

you know, we may have lost a loved one or otherwise been impacted by what is a biological warfare attack against

us by the Chinese Communist Party. Or maybe we've lost somebody to their chemical warfare

against us, fentanyl. Or maybe we've lost our jobs or our communities to their economic

warfare against us. Or we've witnessed the damage that's being

done to our energy security by them and their friends.

In all of these cases, what we're trying to do is both explain what the Chinese Communist

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