The Chinese Surveillance State, Part 2

The Daily

The New York Times

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🗓️ 7 May 2019

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In Part 2 of our series, we tell the story of an American citizen whose family members have been detained in Chinese re-education camps for Uighurs and members of other Muslim minority groups. We look at what his efforts to free them reveal about the global reach of China’s surveillance. Guest: Paul Mozur, a technology reporter for The New York Times based in Shanghai, spoke with Ferkat Jawdat, a Uighur and American citizen who lives in Virginia. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Background reading: Ethnic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities have been sent to camps in vast numbers in what is China’s most sweeping internment operation since the Mao era.Chinese officers have attempted to suppress opposition from Uighurs abroad by detaining their relatives.The Trump administration has avoided addressing the persecution of the Uighurs during trade talks with China, fearing such a move could jeopardize a deal.

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0:00.0	From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro.
0:02.4	This is The Daily.
0:03.9	[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪
0:08.6	Today, the story of one man whose family has been detained in Chinese government camps,
0:17.7	what his efforts to free them are revealing about the global reach of China's surveillance.
0:25.3	Paul Moser with Part Two of our series.
0:29.0	[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪
0:32.0	It's Tuesday, May 7th.
0:34.3	[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪
0:36.9	[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪
0:38.9	So Paul, yesterday you told us about how China is using its surveillance technology
0:43.2	in this northwest region of China to control the minority population who lives there, the
0:47.9	Uyghurs.
0:48.9	Give us again a picture of what life is like there for the Uyghurs.
0:53.8	So first thing to kind of realize about China and this region called Xinjiang is that
0:58.4	most of the 1.4 billion people who live in China are ethnically Chinese.
1:02.4	But there are a number of small minorities and one of the larger minorities is this group
1:06.1	called the Uyghurs.
1:07.1	And there's about 11, 12 million of them.
1:09.5	There are Muslim minority, they're much closer to sort of central Asia in a lot of ways
1:13.0	culturally than they are to Chinese culturally.
1:16.7	And so there has naturally been some cultural clashes around that and frictions over the
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