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The Briefing Room

The Chilcot Report: The Source Who Lied

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2016

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

The Chilcot Report revealed that a key source of flawed intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war was a man known as Curveball. How did this obscure figure come to influence Britain's decision to go to war? David Aaronovitch and guests discuss the story of Curveball and what it tells us about why intelligence sometimes fails.

Presenter: David Aaronovitch

Guests: Peter Taylor, BBC reporter and presenter of "Panorama: The Spies Who Fooled the World"; Stephen Grey, author of The New Spymasters; Valerie Plame, former CIA officer and author of "Fair Game"

Producer: Joe Kent.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Thank you for downloading the briefing room with David Aronovich. It's a new Radio 4 programme

0:06.1

that aims to provide what you need to know about a big story in the news each week.

0:13.6

There was one person that I needed to interview who was absolutely crucial in the intelligence

0:20.2

that led to the war in Iraq.

0:23.7

It took us months and months to track him down.

0:28.4

It was one of the most difficult yet memorable interviews that I've ever done.

0:35.5

He was very evasive.

0:38.7

In the end, I said,

0:40.7

the fact is that we went to war on a lie,

0:44.6

and the person who told that lie was you.

0:49.6

And he looked at me, and I waited.

0:53.5

Then he smiled.

0:55.5

A sly smile I'll never forget.

0:58.2

And he said, yes.

1:01.6

That was veteran BBC reporter Peter Taylor,

1:05.1

talking about a man who was one of the sources

1:07.2

of what Sir John Chilcott yesterday called the flawed intelligence that was used to

1:12.1

justify the invasion of Iraq. Inside the briefing room today, we'll be trying to understand what

1:18.5

happened between the informers, the spooks and the politicians, and whether the flaws were

1:24.4

institutional or temporary. In 2013, Peter Taylor interviewed the man they called Curveball for the Panorama programme.

1:33.6

The story begins in a German refugee camp at Zerndorf at the end of 1999,

1:39.4

four years before the invasion.

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