The Chief Justice Didn’t Hate President Obama | Interview: Gov. Kevin Stitt

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🗓️ 21 April 2026

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Sarah Isgur and David French push back against the New York Times ⁠reporting⁠ on the birth of the shadow docket, discuss Justice Sotomayor’s apology after criticizing him in personal terms during a speech at the University of Kansas School of Law, and interview Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt about ⁠McGirt v. Oklahoma⁠. The Agenda:–The birth of the shadow docket–Who leaked Dobbs?–Justice Sotomayor apologizes to Justice Kavanaugh–Justice Kagan’s screaming tantrum–Justice Thomas’s talk on the Declaration of Independence–We are the McGirt podcast Order Sarah’s book here. Advisory Opinions is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of our articles, members-only newsletters, and bonus podcast episodes—click here. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member by clicking here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ready?
0:02.0	I was born ready.
0:04.0	Welcome to advisory opinions. I'm Sarah Isgar. That's David French. We've got Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt joining us today to talk about McGirt versus Oklahoma, that 2020 Yolo Justice Gorsuch opinion that said half of Oklahoma, not actually Oklahoma anymore. Plus, of course, we've got the
0:39.7	memos leaked to the New York Times about the birth of the shadow docket. Or was it? More to come.
0:48.3	And of course, lots of news from the Supreme Court. Justice Sotomayor's apology. Justice Kagan screaming at Justice Breyer,
0:55.7	Justice Alito not retiring, Justice Thomas with a speech hating on progressives or progressivism?
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1:18.5	they could make parallel parking simpler. To the right bit mate. Yep, back. Back a bit more.
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1:38.9	Well, David, the Supreme Court justices did everything they could to help me sell books.
1:44.3	And I just so appreciate it.
1:47.0	We're going to start with the leak to the New York Times memos from 2016 internal memos
1:55.0	between the justices chambers.
1:57.4	And if you go to the piece on the New York Times, it's like one of those fancy websites.
2:01.5	And the first line you see is, in all black, the birth of the Supreme Court's shadow docket
2:07.9	has long been a mystery until now.
2:13.3	And the claim is that these memos related to President Obama's clean power plan are the birth of the shadow docket.
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