The "Chicken Fight" Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 19 November 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Anna Bower, Michael Feinberg, and Roger Parloff to talk through the week’s big domestic news stories, including:
- “Diving Head First into the Shallow End of the Jury Pool.” A federal magistrate judge has concluded that the government may well have made substantial misrepresentations and other errors before the Grand Jury in the prosecution of former FBI director James Comey, and has ruled that Comey is entitled access to extraordinary discovery to make his case that these errors warrant dismissal, among other possible remedies. What does this ruling—which is now on appeal—mean for the Comey prosecution and for the Trump administration’s other efforts to prosecute the president’s enemies?
- “The Ep Files: Fight the Future.” Republicans in Congress are hotly divided on the question of the Epstein files. While some Republicans (along with many Democrats) have sought broader disclosures from the Justice Department, among other sources, Speaker Mike Johnson and others have thrown up roadblocks to relevant requests, in part out of apparent concern that they may contain damaging revelations about President Trump. But the White House did an about-face this week, switching to support legislation that would compel disclosure of the investigatory materials—clearing the way for it to move forward. What explains the switch in time? And where might it lead?
- “Pipe Dreams.” The right wing media outlet The Blaze released a bombshell report last week, indicating that they had identified a law enforcement and intelligence official as the likely perpetrator of the Jan. 6, 2021, attempted pipe bombing of the DNC and RNC headquarters in Washington, D.C.—a longstanding obsession in certain corners of the internet. But its claims were quickly rebuked by senior FBI officials, triggering a round of mutual incrimination and accusation. What does this tell us about the state of the investigation and the broader relationship between the Trump administration, law enforcement officials, and prominent portions of his support base?
In object lessons, Anna revisits an older novel, echoed by some current events: Nora Ephron’s “Heartburn.” Roger revisits the November 13, 2015, terrorist attacks across Paris, commemorating the event’s 10-year anniversary with a recommendation of a video on Le Monde. Scott will be revisiting one of his favorite holiday events in the DC area: the Aimee Mann and Ted Leo Christmas Show. And Mike is revisiting novels of the past, bit by bit, through Edwin Frank’s “Stranger than Fiction: Lives of the Twentieth Century Novel.”
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| 0:00.0 | So we are recording on Tuesday, November 18th. |
| 0:03.6 | We are coming in hot on the Thanksgiving season, by which I mean it's very cold outside, |
| 0:08.9 | but hot from a kind of holiday sense, vacation sense. |
| 0:12.3 | I am taking, as this podcast is taking next week off, to go across country for a very California |
| 0:17.4 | Bay Area Thanksgiving, which I'm not sure what exactly that will entail, but presumably |
| 0:21.9 | fleece jackets and strong opinions about cryptocurrency, among other things. But how are you |
| 0:27.1 | planning to celebrate? Are you guys traveling? Are you hanging around? I'm philosophically opposed |
| 0:31.6 | to traveling on Thanksgiving, much to my extended family's chagrin. So I am insisting that they come to the Southern Virginia area, |
| 0:41.8 | which is rather selfish of me because it is easily the most inconvenient city in which any of us live |
| 0:48.8 | to get to. There are not frequent planes. It is not a central train terminus. And it's not really within |
| 0:57.5 | driving distance of anybody to whom we're related. But I'm standing my ground. As someone who recently |
| 1:05.1 | has had to travel to Norfolk, Virginia for Lettisha hearings. You pronounced it perfectly, by the way. |
| 1:13.4 | That I've learned that that is how you pronounce it. People have corrected me on this. |
| 1:17.8 | They're like, you're getting it all wrong. It's not Norfolk. It's Norfolk. But as someone who has |
| 1:24.3 | recently had to travel there for Tish James hearings in that criminal case, |
| 1:28.6 | I can confirm that it is indeed very hard to get to. |
| 1:33.7 | So I sympathize with your relatives, Mike. |
| 1:38.3 | But I'm going home to Georgia, and I am very excited because my dog has been stuck in Georgia for a little while with my parents. |
| 1:48.4 | So I'm going to get to see her. |
| 1:50.7 | But this Saturday I'm actually going early to Georgia because I don't know if I've ever told any of you three about this. |
| 1:59.9 | My hometown is the chicken capital of the world. |
| 2:04.3 | And every year around Thanksgiving time, instead of having a like tree lighting ceremony, like many |
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