Brat McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. Now why

do some people who look like can't miss high achievers on paper end up floundering

in life, while those who can seem like underdogs end up flourishing? When my guest notices

phenomenon while being involved in the selection process of veteran seals for a specialized

command, it led him to the discovery that the need for obvious skills are hidden drivers

of performance which he calls attributes. His name is Rich Divini, he's retired Navy

Seal Commander and the author of The Attributes, 25 hidden drivers of optimal performance.

Today on the show Rich discusses the difference between skills and attributes and how the latter

can't be taught but can be developed. We then talk about the difference between optimal

and peak performance before turning to the attributes which drive the latter. We get into

a discussion of the components of grit, the difference between discipline and self-discipline,

why you should become something of a humble narcissist and much more. And we know a conversation

with how to figure out the attributes you are and aren't strong in and which you need for

getting to where you want to go. After the show is over check out our show notes at aowim.islash

attributes.

Alright, Rich Divini, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, I'm excited to be here.

So you got a book out called Attributes, we're going to delve deep into this today and

this is based on your experience as a Navy Seal and also someone who's trained Navy

Seals and other special operators. And you start off the book talking about how this

idea of attributes really hit home to you. When you were you were training a season Navy

seal in close quarter combat and he was having a hard time with it and you couldn't figure

out why. Because I mean it's like on paper this guy it looks like he should just he should

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