They may be some mob ties connected to him and he may fear for his life.

If he talks, these people will kill race and culture from a POC perspective.

I am Marianne Hosa. And I am Julio Riccaldo V Barreela and we had a moment because when we walked into the studio

Terrell J Starr said what? We're here

Together together in the immigrant studio which means that our shoulders are

basically touching each other's shoulders that's because it's a really small

studio at yes to roll star he is one of our All Star, he's a senior reporter at The Root. Welcome back to

Thank you. And joining us from Washington, D.C. is Jane Coastin. She is a senior politics reporter now at Vox. Hello Jane. Hello how are you?

Good so happy to have you back. Terrell you just got back from Ukraine.

So bring us up today like what do we need to know about

Ukraine and you know we can talk about Ukraine first and then talk about Mueller or

if there's a connection you can go right into it.

Oh absolutely. So here's a thing. A lot of people don't know in regards to the Paul Manafort

trial. This trial in many respects is a lot bigger, just as big for Ukraine as it is for America because he was a key

lobbyist, a key fixer for the former president of Victor Yanecovic and so Victor Yanecovic

after the revolution in 2014 fled to Russia and so they haven't won trial but the

problems that he's in Russia.

Russia is not going to extradite him and so most of the people who are a part of

the protests and the violence, they're in Russia and so basically there's no one

in the country to really prosecute and so the person who is

the person who is closest to Victor Yannakovich and a person who is currently on trial

in connection to the millions of dollars that he was making from the

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