Our guest this week is coming straight out the bullpen and going multimedia on your ass,

switching up from written features to the spoken word when she's not dropping books

investigating just exactly what Victoria is hiding.

She stays penning razor sharp insights that stay in the cut like neosporin.

From big tech slimy tentacles seeping into fashion to the weird influence of VICs.

She's one of just a few keeping the industry in check how she's unloading the New York Mag here to chat female content creators versus male content creators, the newsletterification of lifestyle media, and yucky shit she found out reporting on Victoria's Secret, features writer for the cut, Chantal Fernandez. Chantal, how hell, hell are you? Hi, hello, gentlemen. Thank you for having me. Gentlemen. Wow.

Thank you, milady. But not sculls. It felt bad calling you boys, but I guess you guys are bros, boys. Yeah, we're four-year-boys. Yeah. This is an adult mature conversation. Right. You guys have grown. You're sophisticated mature now since you started the podcast. I mean, she's got a point.

Our first ever episode was called Snapchating. You're sophisticated mature now since you started the podcast. I mean, she's got a point.

Our first ever episode was called Snapchating Whole Picks. From Dave and Busters. From Dave and Busters. Wow. I think that was him who did that. It was like a scene report or? A whole report. Yeah. Yeah. We were in the hole. All right. Speaking of reports, Chantel, real quick, can you do a little fit check for us and tell us everything that you wore to podcast today?

Okay. I am wearing... We were in the hole. All right. Speaking of reports, Chantelle, real quick, can you do a little fit check for us

and tell us everything

that you wore to podcast today?

Okay.

I am wearing a shirt from Arquette. Do you guys know that brand? Which I would love would be sold here, but is not. So I got it when I was in Milan recently. Are they Italian or French? it's like an h and m it's basically costs but slightly different maybe like a little more feminine

all right um Italian or French? It's like an H&M. It's basically costs, but slightly different. Maybe like a little more feminine. All right. These pants are from Citizens of Humanity. My shoes are Prada vintage. Ooh, let me peep those dogs. Yeah, from 2018, I believe. Off the wrong way? Is that a wrong one? No, that's a resale situation. Yeah. What about the jewel? What about your little shirt, your over shirt? Oh, my overshirt. I also got this from Arquette. That was from, um, they had a Layla Gohar, uh, collaboration. They do fun collaborations. I got like Penny Martin stuff there a few years ago. Not familiar. Nope. She's the gentlewoman editor. editor. Oh, right. Yeah. The most gentle of all the women. Yes, exactly. Gentlemen and gentle women. Yeah, exactly. My toe bag is from our book publisher, Henry Holt, who published our book about Victoria's Secret. Me and Lauren Sherman. Is that a constant of interest or what's going on there?

It's a good tote. You got paid in free merch. In free books. What about the actual bag? The actual bag is Tori Birch that I bought many years ago and still use a ton. I feel like handbags are in a tough spot, but we can talk more about that. How back is Tori Birch? Because I feel like we see a friend of the show, friend of the pod, Leana, you know, doing everything with them. And like it feels like there's always a trend piece like Tori Berch back. How back truly is Ms. Birch? I think I really feel it in more than like a fake industry way. Like I feel people are, it's not just substack, even though it really feels that way. Right? The number one red flag that it's fake.

You read an article and substack about it. You know, or it's like an engineered marketing thing. I do think people are talking about it more and the product is like, looks so much better the last few years. That toy sport shit popped off too, right? Yeah, Tori Sport. I mean, that was there before. I think everything that she did, she sort of like overhauled the product.

Like, I want to say kind of as the pandemic was starting. So it took a little while to catch on. But I'm pro, Tori. Yeah. Helps have a billionaire husband, partner. Yeah. But now he works for her. Oh, look at that. 2026. Yeah. Woke's back. CEO over there.

What about the timepiece?

This is Jager Le 2026. Yeah. Woke's back. CEO over there.

Yeah.

What about the time piece?

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