Welcome to Words Matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart.

Welcome to Words Matter, I'm Katie Barlow.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

To have power and words have consequences.

Once again, Joe and I are honored to be joined today by Margaret Sullivan.

Margaret is the media columnist for the Washington Post and before that, Margaret served as the

fifth public editor of The New York Times and was the first woman to hold that position.

Margaret Sullivan, welcome back to Words Matter.

Thank you so much, nice to be back with both of you.

Now, last time we had you on, we talked about half a dozen of your columns.

Today we're going to focus on one.

Last week you wrote in the Washington Post, quote, journalist can't repeat their Watergate

Hero Act.

The reasons should make us grieve.

I know Joe has a lot of thoughts on your column, so I'll let him lead off.

Well, let me just let you describe from your point of view what prompted the column, what

should your readers and our listeners take away from it?

I was one of these Watergate hearings kids was a young teenager, maybe 14 or something

like that when the hearings were on and my family was gathered around the living room

television watching the hearings and it made a big impact on me and I would even go so

far as to say that the idea of Woodward and Bernstein were like as with many people of my

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