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Autocracy in America

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Autocracy in America

The Atlantic

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.8999 Ratings

🗓️ 15 August 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

With the United States stepping back from its global leadership role, many around Europe and the world are waiting for Germany to step forward. Will it? Host Garry Kasparov is joined by Mathias Döpfner, CEO of the German multinational media and technology company Axel Springer, who argues that Europe is a “Sleeping Beauty” that must awaken to protect democracy and the open-society model. But can Germany overcome its historical guilt to become a leader in that fight?  Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/listener. Garry chairs the Renew Democracy Initiative, publisher of The Next Move. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I was born on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall.

0:38.3

When I visited Ronald Reagan's ranch center in Santa Barbara, California in 2016,

0:44.3

had a big piece of the wall Reagan helped tear down on display.

0:48.3

I joked that I didn't recognize it because I had only seen the other side.

0:53.3

Back in 1987, I was speaking at an

0:56.9

event in West Germany, and I told people that I was sure that the collapse from the Berlin

1:01.5

wall was inevitable and would happen very soon. They looked at me like, okay, that's crazy,

1:07.4

but he's young, 24, and he's just a chess player. What does he know? And they

1:12.6

stopped listening. This was before Ronald Reagan's famous tear-down-this-wall speech in Berlin,

1:18.3

which was around a month later. Another famous forwards from the US president also concerned

1:24.5

Berlin. President Harry Truman said, we stay in Berlin to promise that U.S. forces

1:31.4

would protect and supply West Berlin during Stalin siege of the city in 1948, the famous Berlin

1:37.9

airlift. Not to put myself in the company of U.S. presidents, but I was inspired by Reagan and Truman in my own Berlin speech at the Aspen Institute on October 14, 2015.

1:51.0

I titled it, four words to change history.

1:55.0

I said, we must remember that societies do not have values.

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